Fear of WWIII and/or Nuclear War

[Lees]

Listening to the news I hear this quite often now when Israel and the Palestinian war is being addressed. As a Christian, I believe the world is correct in fearing such a thing happening.

The world does not see things through the lens of Bible truth, but we who are Christian should. One should wonder that Israel, not much bigger then the state of New Jersey, is the focal point of the world, drawing leading nations into a world wide conflict.

And, hasn't this happened before? Prior to WWI there was a desire in the heart of a few Jews to return to that land where their history was centered and make it their home, nation, again. But a major problem existed that would make such a return impossible. The Ottoman Empire. Because the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic empire. And they would never allow that. But then comes WWI which destroyed the Ottoman Empire, removing that as a road block that would stop the returning Jew.

But another road block remained. How to convince the Jews who were now living in foreign lands, and many doing very well, to go back to that land of Palestine where nothing could be promised but trouble and hard labor. Along comes WWII, and anti-semitism presonified in Hitler and Stalin and their people. The holocaust being the most vivid reminder. After WWII the Jews became the center of attention. What to do with them? And the Jews desire now was to get back to Palestine, away from Europe or Russia, if they could. And some leading nations of the world were willing to help them in that. Thus WWII provide the desire in the heart of the Jew to return, and the help of leading nations to do that.

Two world wars that resulted in Israel becoming a nation once again in their promised land. Would God do that? I believe He would and did. Which brings the question, if world wars seem to have Israel's future in mind, what would be the purpose of a WWIII? Well, Israel is back in the land, but not in belief. And Israel is to be judged in that land. A judgement that will result in the 7 year Tribulation. But that will also end in world conflict, nations coming against Israel. During which time God lifts the veil from Israel's eyes and she becomes the believing people of God and in the land promised.

The nations have political reasons for hating or supporting Israel. But behind their reasons, is God. As He beckons the nations to come to the valley of judgement. (Joel 3:14) "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision."

So, whenever Israel becomes the center of conflict, WWIII, is a real possibility. For, it appears it takes world wars for God to get accomplished what He wants with the nation of Israel.

My opinion.

Lees

 

[Stravinsk]

Wow.

Your God, as described above, sure is blood-thirsty. He "needs" world wars and lots of death for "His purpose for Israel" to "get accomplished".

It couldn't possibly be that the "synagogue of Satan", which Christ mentioned in Revelation, is controlling and influencing things, could it.

Take the "star of David". Made of 6 straight lines, 6 points, with 6 triangles formed on the perimeter. This is also known as the "seal of Solomon", and it is a master symbol in witchcraft and demonology.

But Lees, I'm not surprised.

 

[Lees]

Wow.

Your God, as described above, sure is blood-thirsty. He "needs" world wars and lots of death for "His purpose for Israel" to "get accomplished".

It couldn't possibly be that the "synagogue of Satan", which Christ mentioned in Revelation, is controlling and influencing things, could it.

Take the "star of David". Made of 6 straight lines, 6 points, with 6 triangles formed on the perimeter. This is also known as the "seal of Solomon", and it is a master symbol in witchcraft and demonology.

But Lees, I'm not surprised.

He sure is. Just look at the Cross of Christ. He does what is necessary to accomplish His purposes.

The 'synagogue of Satan' is not all Jews. It, during Christ's day, was those in opposition to Christ. (Rev. 2:9) "them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." There were Jews who believed. But the nation Israel on the whole, did not. Just like when Jesus called Peter Satan when he voiced opposition to Christ going to the Cross. (Matt. 16:23)

And even though Israel is a nation still rejecting Christ, it does not remove God's promises to them. And to fufill His promises, Israel must be in the land. That is God's hand moving. Any opposition to that, is Satan's hand moving. Which is why Islam is nothing but the arm of Satan in opposition to God.

The symbol of the Star of David appears to have many meanings. I doubt Israel uses it for witchcraft.

Oh gee, you're not surprised. As though your surprise or lack of it should carry any weight.

Lees

 

[prism]

Listening to the news I hear this quite often now when Israel and the Palestinian war is being addressed. As a Christian, I believe the world is correct in fearing such a thing happening.

The world does not see things through the lens of Bible truth, but we who are Christian should. One should wonder that Israel, not much bigger then the state of New Jersey, is the focal point of the world, drawing leading nations into a world wide conflict.

And, hasn't this happened before? Prior to WWI there was a desire in the heart of a few Jews to return to that land where their history was centered and make it their home, nation, again. But a major problem existed that would make such a return impossible. The Ottoman Empire. Because the Ottoman Empire was an Islamic empire. And they would never allow that. But then comes WWI which destroyed the Ottoman Empire, removing that as a road block that would stop the returning Jew.

But another road block remained. How to convince the Jews who were now living in foreign lands, and many doing very well, to go back to that land of Palestine where nothing could be promised but trouble and hard labor. Along comes WWII, and anti-semitism presonified in Hitler and Stalin and their people. The holocaust being the most vivid reminder. After WWII the Jews became the center of attention. What to do with them? And the Jews desire now was to get back to Palestine, away from Europe or Russia, if they could. And some leading nations of the world were willing to help them in that. Thus WWII provide the desire in the heart of the Jew to return, and the help of leading nations to do that.

Two world wars that resulted in Israel becoming a nation once again in their promised land. Would God do that? I believe He would and did. Which brings the question, if world wars seem to have Israel's future in mind, what would be the purpose of a WWIII? Well, Israel is back in the land, but not in belief. And Israel is to be judged in that land. A judgement that will result in the 7 year Tribulation. But that will also end in world conflict, nations coming against Israel. During which time God lifts the veil from Israel's eyes and she becomes the believing people of God and in the land promised.

The nations have political reasons for hating or supporting Israel. But behind their reasons, is God. As He beckons the nations to come to the valley of judgement. (Joel 3:14) "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision."

So, whenever Israel becomes the center of conflict, WWIII, is a real possibility. For, it appears it takes world wars for God to get accomplished what He wants with the nation of Israel.

My opinion.

Lees

Nice, I would only add (my opinion also), that antisemitism is an aberrant spiritual condition which existed in Europe long before Hitler, even before our Jewish Savior's visit on earth and His Jewish Apostles, before Haman and his genocidal hatred of the Jews, even back to Cain and Abel, a war between true faith and unbelief as described in Gal 4...

Galatians 4:21-26 NKJV
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? [22] For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [24] which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- [25] for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- [26] but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

There are two seeds, those of the law (flesh) and those of the promise.
There is also the aspect of the natural Jews who are custodians of the promises of God and are persecuted because satan knows if he can wipe out the Jews, God will be proven a liar, not delivering on His promises, thus invalidating His Word. (IMHO)

 

[prism]

Wow.

Your God, as described above, sure is blood-thirsty. He "needs" world wars and lots of death for "His purpose for Israel" to "get accomplished".

It couldn't possibly be that the "synagogue of Satan", which Christ mentioned in Revelation, is controlling and influencing things, could it.

Take the "star of David". Made of 6 straight lines, 6 points, with 6 triangles formed on the perimeter. This is also known as the "seal of Solomon", and it is a master symbol in witchcraft and demonology.

But Lees, I'm not surprised.

just curious, what is your God doing, in light of all the carnage?

 

[Stravinsk]

just curious, what is your God doing, in light of all the carnage?

Couldn't tell ya. If He is doing anything, it isn't being shared with me. What I do know however, is that based on the example of Christ and the Prophets, Judgement is for a later date. That Judgement applies to everyone, even many so called "Christians".

 

[prism]

That Judgement applies to everyone, even many so called "Christians".

Even to born again Christians?

John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

 

[Stravinsk]

Even to born again Christians?

John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Matthew 7:22-23.

 

[Lees]

Nice, I would only add (my opinion also), that antisemitism is an aberrant spiritual condition which existed in Europe long before Hitler, even before our Jewish Savior's visit on earth and His Jewish Apostles, before Haman and his genocidal hatred of the Jews, even back to Cain and Abel, a war between true faith and unbelief as described in Gal 4...

Galatians 4:21-26 NKJV
Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? [22] For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [24] which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- [25] for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- [26] but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

There are two seeds, those of the law (flesh) and those of the promise.
There is also the aspect of the natural Jews who are custodians of the promises of God and are persecuted because satan knows if he can wipe out the Jews, God will be proven a liar, not delivering on His promises, thus invalidating His Word. (IMHO)

I agree. Whether it is the people from Adam to Israel, or Israel, or the Church, or those alive during the Millennium, the people of God are always at odds with the people of the devil.

Yes, He will keep His promises. Israel will be established as a nation of God, and will never be moved out of that land. (Rom. 11:26-27)

Lees

 

[Lees]

Couldn't tell ya. If He is doing anything, it isn't being shared with me. What I do know however, is that based on the example of Christ and the Prophets, Judgement is for a later date. That Judgement applies to everyone, even many so called "Christians".

Matthew 7:22-23.

The Christian has already been judged in Christ. Those who reject Christ still have that judgement to experience. (Rev. 20:11-15) The only judgement the Christian is yet to experience is that of rewards for their service to Christ. (1 Cor. 3:11-15)

(Matt. 5-7) is the Law for the Millennial Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven. (Matt. 7:21-23) is addressing entrance into that Kingdom, which occurs after the Tribulation period. It is a warning due to false prophets who pretend to be believers but are not. (7:15-20)

Though it is not addressed to the Church, application can be made that pertain to false profession of those who claim to be Christians but are not. But here again, it is not talking about a future judgement for the Christian.

Lees

 

[Lamb]

The Christian has already been judged in Christ. Those who reject Christ still have that judgement to experience. (Rev. 20:11-15) The only judgement the Christian is yet to experience is that of rewards for their service to Christ. (1 Cor. 3:11-15)

(Matt. 5-7) is the Law for the Millennial Kingdom, the Kingdom of Heaven. (Matt. 7:21-23) is addressing entrance into that Kingdom, which occurs after the Tribulation period. It is a warning due to false prophets who pretend to be believers but are not. (7:15-20)

Though it is not addressed to the Church, application can be made that pertain to false profession of those who claim to be Christians but are not. But here again, it is not talking about a future judgement for the Christian.

Lees

You're right that Christians are judged based upon Christ...but that doesn't mean they won't stand before the Lord on Judgment Day, because we all will.

 

[Josiah]

One should wonder that Israel, not much bigger then the state of New Jersey, is the focal point of the world, drawing leading nations into a world wide conflict.

Israel is the "focal point of the world?" Really?

Where else in the world is this specific conflict waging?

Two world wars that resulted in Israel becoming a nation once again in their promised land.

A tiny percentage of the worlds Jews decided to move to Palestine and take it over. With the support of several Western nations, they created a new state to which they gave the legal moniker "Israel." That was in 1948. It had nothing to do with the person "Israel" or the 10 Northern Tribes which together was at times called that from 722 - 587 BC. It had nothing to do with Jews which at times were collectively known as "Israel." It is the legal moniker which was given to a political state in 1948. States can give themselves any moniker they want. And change them anytime they want.

=Well, Israel is back in the land

Israel the person died. It's recorded in the Bible.
Israel the sometime name of the Northern Tribes ended in 587 BC.
Israel the sometime name of Jews has been around since Abraham, they are not all in a political state created in 1948, only a tiny minority of them live there; they are not "back" where they were from 722-587 BC - a tiny minority of them are.

but not in belief.

Jews ("Israel" in that sense) have rejected Christ. When people who reject Christ and the Gospel die, they go to hell - not some new country in the Near East. Nor do they go to heaven until some future time when they will be transferred to hell. ALL are judged. Jews, Japanese, Australians, Mexicans - are judged (in a sense now and in a sense at death) according to whether they are in Christ or not. Not because of the state they live in.

Christians have accepted Him. They are the people of God, the chosen ones ("Israel" in that sense)

The Temple was destroyed (did God cause or at least allow that? Well, it's GONE).
It has never seen rebuilt because it is ENTIRELY unnecessary - Jesus is the FINAL sacrifice. All those OT sacrifices are moot and gone; no need for a Temple.

And Israel is to be judged in that land. A judgement that will result in the 7 year Tribulation. But that will also end in world conflict, nations coming against Israel.

This seems entirely baseless.

What evidence do you have that 100% of Jews will become citizens and residents of the secular state known as "Israel" since 1948?

The nations have been coming against the Jews for a long time, at least 1600 years. Ever heard of Adolf Hitler for example?

During which time God lifts the veil from Israel's eyes and she becomes the believing people of God and in the land promised

A secular political state like Israel cannot believe. Only people can believe. So, you need to make up your mind: Are you talking about JEWS ("Israel" in that sense) OR are you talking about a new secular state in the Near East? Which is it? A state cannot believe (only people can). So a state created in 1948 cannot come to faith and does not have eyes (or hearts) that could open; a secular state like Japan or Australia CANNOT come to faith, only people can.

I see nothing that suggests that all Jews will become believers in Christ. That would be nice but I know of nothing that states they all will. And this has nothing to do with a secular state created in 1948 which cannot come to faith.

So, whenever Israel becomes the center of conflict, WWIII, is a real possibility.

Even more if the USA becomes the center of conflict.



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[Lees]

You're right that Christians are judged based upon Christ...but that doesn't mean they won't stand before the Lord on Judgment Day, because we all will.

No, the Christian is 'already' judged in Christ. Big difference. As I said, the only judgement left for the Christian is that of rewards. No believer will be at the Great White Throne Judgement in (Rev. 20:11-15).

Lees

 

[Lamb]

No, the Christian is 'already' judged in Christ. Big difference. As I said, the only judgement left for the Christian is that of rewards. No believer will be at the Great White Throne Judgement in (Rev. 20:11-15).

Lees

So you don't believe the Nicene Creed, which is the Statement of Faith here?

"And he will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead."

Edited to add that believers know what the declaration will be on Judgment Day, so we have no fear. But we will still stand before the Lord.

 

[Josiah]

You're right that Christians are judged based upon Christ...but that doesn't mean they won't stand before the Lord on Judgment Day, because we all will.

@Lamb

No intent to change the subject, but if I may...

I see "Judgement" more like a proclamation than a trial. I don't think all souls go into Limbo UNTIL Judgement Day - THEN it will be determined if that one goes to heaven or hell. I think that there is no Limbo at all. When we die, we IMMEDIATELY go to where we belong vis-a-vis our faith in Christ or lack thereof. So, Judgement Day won't bring any change (no one gets transferred from Hell to Heaven or Heaven to Hell) and no surprises. More like a proclamation of the reality that is.

Blessings!


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[Lees]

Israel is the "focal point of the world?" Really?

Where else in the world is this specific conflict waging?






A tiny percentage of the worlds Jews decided to move to Palestine and take it over. With the support of several Western nations, they created a new state to which they gave the legal moniker "Israel." That was in 1948. It had nothing to do with the person "Israel" or the 10 Northern Tribes which together was at times called that from 722 - 587 BC. It had nothing to do with Jews which at times were collectively known as "Israel." It is the legal moniker which was given to a political state in 1948. States can give themselves any moniker they want. And change them anytime they want.





Israel the person died. It's recorded in the Bible and also in secular history.
Israel the sometime name of the Northern Tribes died in 587 BC.
Israel the sometime name of Jews has been around since Abraham, they are not all in a political state created in 1948, only a tiny minority of them live there; they are not "back" where they were from 722-587 BC - a tiny minority of them are.





Jews ("Israel" in that sense) has rejected Christ.
Christians have accepted Him. They are the people of God, the chosen ones ("Israel" in that sense)

The Temple was destroyed (did God cause or at least allow that).
It has never seen rebuilt because it is unnecessary - Jesus is the Temple, Jesus is the FINAL sacrifice.




This seems entirely baseless.

The nations have been coming against the Jews for a long time, at least 1600 years. Ever heard of Adolf Hitler for example?




A secular political state like Israel cannot believe. Only people can believe. So, you need to make up your mind: Are you talking about JEWS ("Israel" in that sense) OR are you talking about Jews (the religion that rejects Christ)? Which is it? A state cannot believe (only people can). So a state created in 1948 cannot come to faith and does not have eyes.

I see nothing that suggests that all Jews will become believers in Christ. That would be nice but I know of nothing that states they all will. And this has nothing to do with a secular state created in 1948 which cannot come to faith (only people can).




Even more if the USA becomes the center of conflict.



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Yes, really. This conflict effects all the world as Israel is the center of God's attention. Whether in judgement or blessing.

So? A tiny percentage of Jews returned from the Babylonian captivity. It has everything to do with the person Israel, because Israel is made up of his children, the Jews, all 12 tribes.

Israel the person died...so? God calls the nation Israel. (Is. 10:22) (Rom. 9:27) (Rom. 11:26) etc. etc. etc. And the Jews are back in the land. Not all of the land yet, but a certain portion.

Yes, Israel as a nation has rejected Christ. And Christians, which make up the Church, have received Christ. That doesn't make the Church Israel. We are the people of God, yes. But we are not Israel.

The destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. was certainly God's doing. It hasn't been rebuilt because it is not yet time. When the time comes, it will be rebuilt. Yes, the Body of Christ, the Church, is the Temple at this time. But the Church one day will be raptured out of here. God will finish His work with the Jews, Israel. Possibly two more Temples will be rebuilt. the Tribulation Temple and the Millennial Temple. See (Ezekiel 40-47) for the drawings or instructions.

It's not baseless because you say so. The Tribulation period is well documented in Scripture. Have I ever heard of Adolf Hitler? Apparently you weren't paying attention to my post #(1). You were too busy cherry picking sentences that you thought you could make hay with.

Once the nation Israel believes, she is no longer secular. When God removes that veil, all Jews who will make up the nation Israel will believe. (Rom. 11:25-26)

No, the U.S. is just another nation. The U.S. is not the center of God's attention. Israel is. The U.S. has been used by God in the past. But the U.S. has abandoned it's Christian roots and is ripe for judgement from God. Which means she better be careful in the mid-east. God can remove her at anytime. And I don't see the U.S. in prophecy. I do see the need for the U.S. to no longer be there for Israel.

Lees

 

[Lees]

So you don't believe the Nicene Creed, which is the Statement of Faith here?

"And he will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead."

Edited to add that believers know what the declaration will be on Judgment Day, so we have no fear. But we will still stand before the Lord.

I certainly believe Jesus will judge the living and the dead when He returns. But there are judgements at different times. The one when He returns is just before the Millennial reign. (Rev. 20:4) The one in (Rev. 20:7-11) is after the Millennial reign.

Note in (Rev. 20:12) "And I saw the dead...stand before God...." (20:13) "And the sea gave up the dead..." (20:13) "...and death and hell delivered up the dead...." (20:14) "...This is the second death."

This is the Great White Throne judgement. (Rev. 20:11). No believer here. Just the dead.

Lees

 

[Josiah]

It has everything to do with the person Israel

He's dead. Scripture records it.

, because Israel is made up of his children, the Jews, all 12 tribes.

SOME Jews might be descendants of the man Israel. Some of those descendants of course are Christians, some are agnostics or atheists.

But those descendants of Israel alive today that deny Christ are not a secular political state created in 1948 that gave itself the legal moniker of Israel.

God calls the nation Israel. (Is. 10:22) (Rom. 9:27) (Rom. 11:26) etc. etc. etc.

Is. 10:22 is referring to the descendants of Abraham - Jews by race - not a secular political state created in 1948.

Romans 9:27 is also speaking of Jews, not some secular political state created in 1948. Go on to read the rest of the chapter.

Romans 11:26 is also speaking of Jews, not some secular political state created in 1948.

Your spin is that all Jews will convert to Christianity at some point after 65 AD. Perhaps (?) but that has nothing to do with several Western states creating a secular state in the Near East with the legal moniker of Israel. That will not come to faith, states can't come to faith only people can.

You need to make up your mind as to whether you are referring to a group of biological descendants, a group of people who reject Christ as Savior or a secular political state with the current legal moniker of Israel.

And the Jews are back in the land. Not all of the land yet, but a certain portion.

Some do, most don't. The US has more Jews than any other country.

So what?

The destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. was certainly God's doing. It hasn't been rebuilt because it is not yet time.

It's not been rebuilt because it's irrelevant, moot, unnecessary.

Jesus is the final sacrifice.

God doesn't need it. Believers don't need it. No one needs it.

When the time comes, it will be rebuilt.

Baseless.

And supremely odd that God would permit such - entirely useless and undermining the whole point of Christianity that JESUS is the FINAL sacrifice, suggesting we reject Christ as the Lamb of God and go back to the Old Covenant. Odd indeed that God would have ANYTHING to do with that; far more likely God would prevent its being rebuilt (as 2000 years of history suggests).

Once the nation Israel believes

A political state cannot believe. Only people can. So this has nothing to do with a political state with the legal name of Israel.



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[Lees]

He's dead. Scripture records it.




SOME Jews might be descendants of the man Israel. Some of those descendants of course are Christians, some are agnostics or atheists.

But those descendants of Israel alive today that deny Christ are not a secular political state created in 1948 that gave itself the legal moniker of Israel.




Is. 10:22 is referring to the descendants of Abraham - Jews by race - not a secular political state created in 1948.

Romans 9:27 is also speaking of Jews, not some secular political state created in 1948. Go on to read the rest of the chapter.

Romans 11:26 is also speaking of Jews, not some secular political state created in 1948.

Your spin is that all Jews will convert to Christianity at some point after 65 AD. Perhaps (?) but that has nothing to do with several Western states creating a secular state in the Near East with the legal moniker of Israel. That will not come to faith, states can't come to faith only people can.

You need to make up your mind as to whether you are referring to a group of biological descendants, a group of people who reject Christ as Savior or a secular political state with the current legal moniker of Israel.





Some do, most don't. The US has more Jews than any other country.

So what?





It's not been rebuilt because it's irrelevant, moot, unnecessary.

Jesus is the final sacrifice.

God doesn't need it. Believers don't need it. No one needs it.







Baseless.

And supremely odd that God would permit such - entirely useless and undermining the whole point of Christianity that JESUS is the FINAL sacrifice, suggesting we reject Christ as the Lamb of God and go back to the Old Covenant. Odd indeed that God would have ANYTHING to do with that; far more likely God would prevent its being rebuilt (as 2000 years of history suggests).





A political state cannot believe. Only people can. So this has nothing to do with a political state with the legal name of Israel.



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Yes, as I said, the man Israel is dead. But his children make up the nation Israel.

All Jews are descendants of the man Israel. Some Jews have become Christians. Some are athest's and agnostic. Some are orthodox Jews. All Jews who live in the nation Israel today, make up the nation Israel.

(Is. 10:22) calls the Jews Israel.

(Rom. 9:27) calls the Jews Israel.

(Rom. 11:25-26) calls the Jews Israel.

I never said the Jews would become Christians. That is your spin, not mine. The Jews will become believing Jews. They will accept Jesus as their King, their Messiah. And the entire nation of Israel will believe. (Rom. 11:25-26)

Some do, some don't, what? Makes no sense. Doesn't matter how many Jews are in the U.S. The U.S. is not the promised land.

The future Temples to be rebuilt are not irrelevant because you say so. The Tribulation Temple must exist for the abomination of desolation to occur there. (Dan. 9:27) (Matt. 24:15) The Millennial Temple must exist because there will be a Temple in the Millennium. And (Ezekiel 40-47) is clear concerning it's construction. Yes, Jesus is the only Sacrifice. Well, God doesn't need any of it. God wants it.

No, not baseless. Based upon Scripture.

The Temples don't undermine anything in Christianity. And the believing nation of Israel will be under the bond of the covenant. (Ezekiel 20:33-37). The Covenant of the Kingdom. Which will be more strict than the Mosaic Covenant.

People make up a nation. And the whole nation of Israel shall one day believe. (Rom. 11:25-26)

Lees

 

[Lamb]

@Lamb

No intent to change the subject, but if I may...

I see "Judgement" more like a proclamation than a trial. I don't think all souls go into Limbo UNTIL Judgement Day - THEN it will be determined if that one goes to heaven or hell. I think that there is no Limbo at all. When we die, we IMMEDIATELY go to where we belong vis-a-vis our faith in Christ or lack thereof. So, Judgement Day won't bring any change (no one gets transferred from Hell to Heaven or Heaven to Hell) and no surprises. More like a proclamation of the reality that is.

Blessings!


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I don't believe in limbo, so I don't know what you suggest that I do?