Ecclesiasticus 28:2 and the Lord's prayer

[Andrew]

“Forgive thy neighbour the hurt that he hath done unto thee, so shall thy sins also be forgiven when thou prayest.”
-Sirach 28:2

Is there anything here worth discussing?
If so.. discuss!

 

[HaKawa]

Absolutely. Forgiveness is easier than the emotional part. It takes a while to let go sometimes. I'm such a sinner, reformed by Christ, I couldn't withhold Forgiveness from others. How could Christ forgive me? I pray for the hellbound souls, until they die at least, because if I didn't, who would?

 

[Josiah]

Buddhists teach that we should forgive others, too. Does that mean ergo Jesus was a Buddhist or that Jesus said so because He regarded Buddhists as the divine source of truth and Buddhists writings as the inerrant, divinely-inscripturated words of God that by international law must be included in any printed tome with the word "BIBLE" on the cover?



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[Andrew]

Buddhists teach that we should forgive others, too. Does that mean ergo Jesus was a Buddhist or that Jesus said so because He regarded Buddhists as the divine source of truth and Buddhists writings as the inerrant, divinely-inscripturated words of God that by international law must be included in any printed tome with the word "BIBLE" on the cover?



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Yes, that is exactly what it means.. Jesus is a Buddhist

Or it could mean that the book of Sirach, a book identified as imparted Wisdom of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob (not of Buddha) was written under divine inspiration which also agrees with Jesus regarding prayer... I don't think Buddhist even pray to any deity, they may chant and meditate but they don't believe in the biblical God, so..

 

[Josiah]

Yes, that is exactly what it means.. Jesus is a Buddhist

Or it could mean that the book of Sirach, a book identified as imparted Wisdom of the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob (not of Buddha) was written under divine inspiration which also agrees with Jesus regarding prayer... I don't think Buddhist even pray to any deity, they may chant and meditate but they don't believe in the biblical God, so..

COULD. Well....

But your point seems to be that if something says something that Jesus agrees with, ERGO that something must be the inerrant, fully canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God that Jesus held as such and must be legally required in all countries to be included in any published tome with the word "BIBLE" appearing on the cover. It's a point you make a lot and it seems pretty baseless to me. Now COULD it be that Jesus regarded Buddhists writing to be fully canonical and divinely inscripturted BECAUSE they state something Jesus did? I guess.... "could" is a pretty broad term, but it's sure not a convincing argument...




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[Andrew]

COULD. Well....

But your point seems to be that if something says something that Jesus agrees with, ERGO that something must be the inerrant, fully canonical, divinely-inscripturated words of God that Jesus held as such and must be legally required in all countries to be included in any published tome with the word "BIBLE" appearing on the cover. It's a point you make a lot and it seems pretty baseless to me. Now COULD it be that Jesus regarded Buddhists writing to be fully canonical and divinely inscripturted BECAUSE they state something Jesus did? I guess.... "could" is a pretty broad term, but it's sure not a convincing argument...




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The Lord's prayer does not mention "the golden rule" nor karma nor anything even close to that, Sirach doesn't imply any such thing either, I'm not following what you're saying Patrick

An early Protestant commentator suggested that it must have been written into Sirach early on by a sneaky little Christian for some reason... which I don't blame him for since Sirach does seem to be a bit... Christian.

Same could said for Wisdom chapter 2 or the overall moral aspect of Tobit.. but let's just focus on Sirach 28:2 for now.
What say you?