Conditional vs Eternal Salvation

[Jason76]

I believe in conditional salvation. Nonetheless, a lot of hope is given in that I also believe in universalism. In other words, I think most won't make it to heaven the first time, but they chances over and over. It's not Hinduism, but rather what the bible teaches - once the Greek and Hebrew is truly examined, along with other things.

Why do I believe in conditional salvation? It's because there is no way to work around verses clearly saying that if one is not holy, then one doesn't have salvation.

 

[1689Dave]

I believe in conditional salvation. Nonetheless, a lot of hope is given in that I also believe in universalism. In other words, I think most won't make it to heaven the first time, but they chances over and over. It's not Hinduism, but rather what the bible teaches - once the Greek and Hebrew is truly examined, along with other things.

Why do I believe in conditional salvation? It's because there is no way to work around verses clearly saying that if one is not holy, then one doesn't have salvation.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[Jason76]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

I know myself of times falling into terrible sins. Well, I will spill the beans, like massive sexual immorality. Is it not true the prodigal son went away from home - and then fell into sin, and then came home?

Whoever is born of God is someone walking in the light and we have a total free will about it.

 

[1689Dave]

That's a joke. I know myself of times falling into terrible sins. Well, I will spill the beans, like massive sexual immorality. Is it not true the prodigal son went away from home - and then fell into sin, and then came home?

Who do I believe? God or you? “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[Jason76]

Who do I believe? God or you?

That's one verse out of many others that say the opposite. What about the fig tree being cut down? What about the parable of the vinedresser? What about the parable of the talents or that of the virgins? It goes on and on.

 

[1689Dave]

That's one verse out of many others that say the opposite. What about the fig tree being cut down? What about the parable of the vinedresser? What about the parable of the talents or that of the virgins? It goes on and on.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

 

[Jason76]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.” 1 John 3:9 (KJV 1900)

Well, that's like John 3:16 in a way, but it's not what it means. You can't read it at face value and not take the context of the whole Bible with it.

 

[1689Dave]

Well, that's like John 3:16 in a way, but it's not what it means. You can't read it at face value and not take the context of the whole Bible with it.

I understand it experientially. I don't think anyone can understand it apart from living it.

 

[Jason76]

I understand it experientially. I don't think anyone can understand it apart from living it.

Well, yeah, you have to live it. That's why I believe in conditional salvation.

 

[1689Dave]

Well, yeah, you have to live it. That's why I believe in conditional salvation.

Conditional salvation = works. Scripture repudiates this self-righteousness.

 

[tango]

I believe in conditional salvation. Nonetheless, a lot of hope is given in that I also believe in universalism. In other words, I think most won't make it to heaven the first time, but they chances over and over. It's not Hinduism, but rather what the bible teaches - once the Greek and Hebrew is truly examined, along with other things.

For a claim like this it would be really useful if you could explain why you believe it rather than simply saying "if you examine it, that's what the Bible says". I suspect most people would argue the Bible says the exact opposite of what you're claiming here.

 

[Jason76]

Conditional salvation = works. Scripture repudiates this self-righteousness.

Well, you brought up a good point. However, saying you have to walk in the light by having a prayer life and reading God's word etc. is not an argument for works. Jesus repeatedly spoke of someone that is justified is he/she who obeys. He was saying this in one thing or another over an over.

However, note that by walking in the light, we are not using our own power to be holy.

 

[1689Dave]

Well, you brought up a good point. However, saying you have to walk in the light by having a prayer life and reading God's word etc. is not an argument for works. Jesus repeatedly spoke of someone is justified who obeys. He was saying this in one thing or another over an over.

A cat acts like a cat because it is a cat. A genuinely saved Christian acts like one who is saved too, because that is what they are.

 

[Jason76]

A cat acts like a cat because it is a cat. A genuinely saved Christian acts like one who is saved too, because that is what they are.

No, not long ago, I was quite rotten, even after being on fire for God in my 20s. It's actually quite embarrassing.

 

[1689Dave]

No, not long ago, I was quite rotten, even after being on fire for God in my 20s. It's actually quite embarrassing.

God doesn't fail to save those he chose to save. He also uproots all that he did not choose to save.

 

[Jason76]

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