Are socialists cheapskates?

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I suspect a lot of them are from personal observation. I mean, they want stuff for nothing - disregarding the fact that people have to eat. Also, they disregard the effect of incentive - as with free music downloads, they had once (or maybe they still are) killed the incentive to make good music and more of it.
 

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I know of some people with socialistic tendencies that just want the best for everyone even though that means that those who work hard don't receive fair treatment when their hard earnings get taken away from them by force. Those who don't work hard will be fast to hold out their hands for the freebies given to them and that means they don't have to put effort into doing anything to receive those things. Why should they?
 

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I don't think it's useful to talk of "socialists" as if they were a uniform mass in any context. You might as well ask if white people are cheapskates, or if women are cheapskates.

Some socialists are cheapskates, wanting little more than the chance to freeload on the back of the effort of others. Some socialists are generous and happy to share the fruits of their good fortune with those less fortunate. Just like some capitalists are cheapskates and want to do the minimum possible to collect their paycheck and other capitalists are generous and happy to share their abundance with those who have less.
 

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I don't think it's useful to talk of "socialists" as if they were a uniform mass in any context. You might as well ask if white people are cheapskates, or if women are cheapskates.

Some socialists are cheapskates, wanting little more than the chance to freeload on the back of the effort of others. Some socialists are generous and happy to share the fruits of their good fortune with those less fortunate. Just like some capitalists are cheapskates and want to do the minimum possible to collect their paycheck and other capitalists are generous and happy to share their abundance with those who have less.

That was an outstanding observation. Maybe we could now talk about whether all capitalists are avaricious.
 

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One of the most hardworking people I knew personally was a gigantic socialist - go figure. I mean, he was always working or searching for work! He was also a very masculine man - not some "limp-wrist" that is stereotyped as being left-wing. Anyway, then again, he is British - and it's the American left-wing that has went pro-cultural left - well, at least more (I think that's the case.).
 

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One of the most hardworking people I knew personally was a gigantic socialist - go figure. I mean, he was always working or searching for work! He was also a very masculine man - not some "limp-wrist" that is stereotyped as being left-wing. Anyway, then again, he is British - and it's the American left-wing that has went pro-cultural left - well, at least more (I think that's the case.).

STOP PRESS.... one individual doesn't fit the stereotype. Hold the front page folks, this one could be huge.

Funny how that works really. I remember some years back a friend and I were known among our social circle to hold very different political views. Several people wanted us to debate politics but we never got around to it. One time we both agreed that we would, set a few basic ground rules (i.e. address the argument not the person etc). Still, some among our circle practically expected blood to flow by the end of it all. They were in for a disappointment, it turned out that despite our apparently hugely opposing viewpoints we had similar opinions about what was wrong and just disagreed on how best to address things, and actually when we scratched the surface had vastly more in common than anyone (us included) had expected.

Sure, we still have major disagreements on what should be done, how it should be done, and who should be doing it and paying for it, but it really was remarkable to see that even our apparently vast political differences largely faded when we got to talking in detail. The trouble today is that it seems so many would rather just slap a label on someone so they can be discounted. You know - the person wearing a MAGA hat is probably some kind of inbred retard who can safely be ignored, and the person debating whether to vote Warren or Sanders is probably a communist who won't be satisfied until we're calling each other Comrade. It seems to be an effect of learning what to think rather than learning how to think.
 

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You know - the person wearing a MAGA hat is probably some kind of inbred retard who can safely be ignored, and the person debating whether to vote Warren or Sanders is probably a communist who won't be satisfied until we're calling each other Comrade.

Funny :disgonbegood:
 

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Funny :disgonbegood:

The UK had an election today. One comment I saw on Facebook said anyone who voted Conservative voted for murder. There's really no point even trying to reason with someone who thinks that's an appropriate thing to say in a public space.
 

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I don't know about socialists but...


LIBERALS tend to be cheapskates.
... They believe in stealing the money of OTHERS and then they giving it to people they want to be grateful to them and dependent on them.... I recall when Obama was running for re-election against Romney. Obama HUGE on taking money away from people and "redistributing it" as he feels good. But both submitted their tax returns for the past 5 years.... Romney gave something like 20% of his (considerable) income to charity, Obama was 2% if I remember. Ah. Liberals want OTHERS to give (well, submit to it being taken from them) but are "cheapskates" themselves.



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I don't know about socialists but...


LIBERALS tend to be cheapskates.
... They believe in stealing the money of OTHERS and then they giving it to people they want to be grateful to them and dependent on them.... I recall when Obama was running for re-election against Romney. Obama HUGE on taking money away from people and "redistributing it" as he feels good. But both submitted their tax returns for the past 5 years.... Romney gave something like 20% of his (considerable) income to charity, Obama was 2% if I remember. Ah. Liberals want OTHERS to give (well, submit to it being taken from them) but are "cheapskates" themselves.



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Good chance you're right - but it it's "on average" maybe.
 

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Good chance you're right - but it it's "on average" maybe.

... which is hardly surprising, given the terms being thrown around describe literally millions of people. Within any group that size you'll find such variation it's almost meaningless to talk as if they had more than membership of a generally defined group in common.
 
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