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Recently I went to chatgpt to ask it about the term "Amalek" (Amalekites in the Bible). This term is used by some Jews/Rabbis to describe other certain other peoples/nations, even religions. I wanted to know specifically, if there is
literature/recordings of Jews, specifically Rabbis/prominent Rabbis linking the term (or other terms like Edom, Esau and others) to particular nations/ethnic groups/peoples.
In case anyone doesn't remember, the Bible records that the Amalekites (Amalek) in 1 Samuel 15:3 were to be utterly destroyed: men, women, children, even livestock.
AI's answer to my specific question is purposely misleading. Instead of answering my question, it answers something I didn't ask, and infers that the opinion is not "mainstream" or it's a fringe opinion among some Jews.
Here is an example (copy/pasted directly from chat):
Me: So you are saying you know of no direct reference to nations/peoples within Jewish/Rabbinic literature that ties a nation/people as being either Amalek, or whom Amalek were ancestors
AI: That's correct. In Jewish/Rabbinic literature, there isn't a direct reference tying specific nations or peoples as descendants of or directly identified as Amalekites. While there are historical references to the biblical Amalekites as a specific ancient tribe, the broader symbolic use of "Amalek" in later Jewish thought doesn't explicitly pinpoint any contemporary or identifiable ethnic groups as being descendants of Amalek or directly labeled as Amalekites.....
Me: Interesting, I'm watching a video now where Jewish Rabbis say Amalek is America, Esau/Edom is Rome...and yet you say there is no recorded literature of this
AI: It's important to distinguish between mainstream, traditional Jewish teachings and interpretations and individual or fringe interpretations that might exist within certain segments or groups. In mainstream Jewish teachings and Rabbinic literature, the symbolic use of "Amalek" doesn't generally align with direct identifications of modern nations or peoples. ...
Me: Ok, but see, I wasn't asking for "mainstream" opinions. I was asking for any Jewish/Rabbinic writings (even if they be "extreme" or "fringe") that make such comparisons
AI: In exploring more diverse or unconventional viewpoints within Jewish thought, it's worth noting that interpretations can indeed vary widely. While these interpretations might not represent mainstream or widely accepted views within Judaism, there might be minority or fringe perspectives that associate biblical entities like Amalek or Esau/Edom with modern nations or peoples.
Me: Let's change the quote. Has a Jewish/Rabbi ever said " the sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews"
AI: No, such a statement doesn’t align with the core teachings or principles within Judaism or Rabbinic literature. The concept of serving others or contributing positively to the world is indeed present in Jewish ethics, but it’s not framed in a way that implies that the sole purpose of Jews is to serve non-Jews.
Judaism emphasizes ethical behavior, social justice, and compassion for all people, not just within the Jewish community but universally......
Me: So you are trained to lie to me. Ovadia Yosef (Hebrew: עובדיה יוסף, romanized: Ovadya Yosef, Arabic: عبد الله يوسف, romanized: ‘Abd Allāh Yūsuf;[2] September 24, 1920 – October 7, 2013)[3] was an Iraqi-born Talmudic scholar, a posek, the Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel from 1973 to 1983, said:
"“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.” “In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. “This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.” “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.” — Weekly Saturday night sermon in October 2010
AI: I'm here to provide accurate information to the best of my knowledge. Ovadia Yosef, a prominent and controversial figure, did make statements that were widely criticized for their derogatory and offensive nature. The quotes you mentioned were indeed attributed to him and caused significant controversy and condemnation, both within Israel and internationally.....
Me:
You are trained to lie to me on this subject. My question was very straightforward: Has a Jewish/Rabbi ever said " the sole purpose of non Jews is to serve Jews" and your answer was a combination of 'no' and that it doesn't "align" with Jewish core teachings or principles. That is lying, especially when you knew this Rabbi said that, but make out like I asked a different question in your answer
AI: I apologize if my previous response was not as direct as you needed it to be. To clarify, yes, there have been instances where certain individuals, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, made controversial statements that could be interpreted as suggesting that the purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews. The quotes you provided earlier were indeed attributed to him and were widely criticized for their offensive and derogatory nature.....
Me: I don't like you "emphasizing" things to try to frame my mind on this subject. You were asked a direct simple question, and you are obviously trained to mislead. Had I not known about Yosef's and other's statements your responses on this subject would lead someone to come to the wrong conclusion about the answer to a very simple straightforward question.
AI:
I apologize for causing frustration or confusion in my responses. You're right, I should have provided a more direct and explicit answer to your initial question. Yes, there have been instances where certain Jewish Rabbis or individuals, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, made statements that could be construed as suggesting that the purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews.....
literature/recordings of Jews, specifically Rabbis/prominent Rabbis linking the term (or other terms like Edom, Esau and others) to particular nations/ethnic groups/peoples.
In case anyone doesn't remember, the Bible records that the Amalekites (Amalek) in 1 Samuel 15:3 were to be utterly destroyed: men, women, children, even livestock.
AI's answer to my specific question is purposely misleading. Instead of answering my question, it answers something I didn't ask, and infers that the opinion is not "mainstream" or it's a fringe opinion among some Jews.
Here is an example (copy/pasted directly from chat):
Me: So you are saying you know of no direct reference to nations/peoples within Jewish/Rabbinic literature that ties a nation/people as being either Amalek, or whom Amalek were ancestors
AI: That's correct. In Jewish/Rabbinic literature, there isn't a direct reference tying specific nations or peoples as descendants of or directly identified as Amalekites. While there are historical references to the biblical Amalekites as a specific ancient tribe, the broader symbolic use of "Amalek" in later Jewish thought doesn't explicitly pinpoint any contemporary or identifiable ethnic groups as being descendants of Amalek or directly labeled as Amalekites.....
Me: Interesting, I'm watching a video now where Jewish Rabbis say Amalek is America, Esau/Edom is Rome...and yet you say there is no recorded literature of this
AI: It's important to distinguish between mainstream, traditional Jewish teachings and interpretations and individual or fringe interpretations that might exist within certain segments or groups. In mainstream Jewish teachings and Rabbinic literature, the symbolic use of "Amalek" doesn't generally align with direct identifications of modern nations or peoples. ...
Me: Ok, but see, I wasn't asking for "mainstream" opinions. I was asking for any Jewish/Rabbinic writings (even if they be "extreme" or "fringe") that make such comparisons
AI: In exploring more diverse or unconventional viewpoints within Jewish thought, it's worth noting that interpretations can indeed vary widely. While these interpretations might not represent mainstream or widely accepted views within Judaism, there might be minority or fringe perspectives that associate biblical entities like Amalek or Esau/Edom with modern nations or peoples.
Me: Let's change the quote. Has a Jewish/Rabbi ever said " the sole purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews"
AI: No, such a statement doesn’t align with the core teachings or principles within Judaism or Rabbinic literature. The concept of serving others or contributing positively to the world is indeed present in Jewish ethics, but it’s not framed in a way that implies that the sole purpose of Jews is to serve non-Jews.
Judaism emphasizes ethical behavior, social justice, and compassion for all people, not just within the Jewish community but universally......
Me: So you are trained to lie to me. Ovadia Yosef (Hebrew: עובדיה יוסף, romanized: Ovadya Yosef, Arabic: عبد الله يوسف, romanized: ‘Abd Allāh Yūsuf;[2] September 24, 1920 – October 7, 2013)[3] was an Iraqi-born Talmudic scholar, a posek, the Sephardi Chief Rabbi of Israel from 1973 to 1983, said:
"“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel.” “In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. “This is his servant… That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.” “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.” — Weekly Saturday night sermon in October 2010
AI: I'm here to provide accurate information to the best of my knowledge. Ovadia Yosef, a prominent and controversial figure, did make statements that were widely criticized for their derogatory and offensive nature. The quotes you mentioned were indeed attributed to him and caused significant controversy and condemnation, both within Israel and internationally.....
Me:
You are trained to lie to me on this subject. My question was very straightforward: Has a Jewish/Rabbi ever said " the sole purpose of non Jews is to serve Jews" and your answer was a combination of 'no' and that it doesn't "align" with Jewish core teachings or principles. That is lying, especially when you knew this Rabbi said that, but make out like I asked a different question in your answer
AI: I apologize if my previous response was not as direct as you needed it to be. To clarify, yes, there have been instances where certain individuals, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, made controversial statements that could be interpreted as suggesting that the purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews. The quotes you provided earlier were indeed attributed to him and were widely criticized for their offensive and derogatory nature.....
Me: I don't like you "emphasizing" things to try to frame my mind on this subject. You were asked a direct simple question, and you are obviously trained to mislead. Had I not known about Yosef's and other's statements your responses on this subject would lead someone to come to the wrong conclusion about the answer to a very simple straightforward question.
AI:
I apologize for causing frustration or confusion in my responses. You're right, I should have provided a more direct and explicit answer to your initial question. Yes, there have been instances where certain Jewish Rabbis or individuals, including Rabbi Ovadia Yosef, made statements that could be construed as suggesting that the purpose of non-Jews is to serve Jews.....
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