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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    I've given my view, the Orthodox view, and many, many scriptures. They just don't align with your view. Scripture says He gaves a meassure of faith to all men. So it is man that can accept or reject the call of the Holy Spirit to repentance. But those that believe can fall away as many...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Amazing, you claim not to be a Calvinist yet you make a huge point of teaching the doctrine of predestination. As far as I know he is the only one that developed the whole theory of Calvinism and election/predestination was central to it. How do you differ from Calvin's doctrine of election?
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    it is the scriptual view. Christ does not give saving faith in that a believer is free to reject that faith. How can that be saving. To be saved is the responsibility of each believer to grow that seed of faith. The parable of the talents comes to mind. So you don't understand Col...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    It is your doctrine of predestination/election not necessarily what the scriptures actually teach. After all, within Protestantism there are many different doctrines. However, within the historical Church over the last two thousand years this has not ever been a doctrine. It is a theory...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    The Holy Spirit does not give "saving faith". He gives faith to all men and it is up to man to do with it as he chooses. He can denounce it, or hecan believe, repent, by baptized and then live a life of faithfulness., thus being a saving faith. However, he can reject Christ at any time in his...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    I have already explained most of these. Typical texts that Calvinist use to show predestination of individual believers when none of them actually do. None of your explanations existed prior to Calvin. Since my Church has declared Calvinism heretical, as the Church has never held the view of...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    I agree with scripture but not your interpretation. Because you do not understand the meaning of the Incarnation your view has these monster contradictions. You say that He died for all sinners, yet you don't believe that His death and resurrection saved the world from death and sin. As your...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Well, world order is everything God created including things in heaven and on earth. So God does not love all human beings who are created in His Image. God gave all things to Christ, Col 1:20, Christ died for sinners. Are unbelievers not sinners? Rom 5:18-19 So in your theology hell does...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Really, how would you expect a Calvinist theologian to explain it. Not only quite contrived but disagrees with most of scripture.
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    However Rom 8:26 states that all things work together to those that love God who are THE CALLED, MEANING THE CHURCH. Vs 29 For whom He foreknew, (who did He foreknew, those that believe) He predestined them to be conformed to His Image. That is what we are doing as believers, working with God to...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Since all things were given to Christ, Col 1:16-20 and since all men are drawn to Christ John 12:32. Christ does no6t cast anyone away. It man by his free will that decides to reject Him outright, or as some point fall away by his own choice. Lets stay in John 6 and go to verse 39, all that...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    If I quoted them now, would that actually help? The fact is The wrath of God is against all ungodliness against those THAT SUPPRESS THE TRUTH. That what is known of God is manifest among them because God manifested it to them. Since the creation His attributes are clearly shown being...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Scripturally and historically it is a false teaching. No where in scripture does God, by decree predestin some men to individual salvation. You are also correct that the phrase "once saved, always saved" is also unscriptural. An individual believer in NEVER portrayed as being 'saved" in the...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    I didn't know that Lutherans had a different form of predestination and election. But in either case what you explain above fits supposed theory but has never been the understanding of Scripture. You can believe what you will, but historically predestination was declared a heresy by the...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Nothing I stated even resembles Pelagianism. Rom 1:18-24 clearly states that all men have been given the ability to respond to God. God gives a measure of faith to all men. God calls all men to repentance therefore man is fully capable of responding to God. God expects it and provides...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    If God so loved this WORLD, which includes all human beings, He would not have died for that world. If God by decree condemns most of humanity to hell, is that love? If God did not save the world, then He cannot provide individuals salvation either. Heaven and hell would not even exist...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    I didn't even hint or surely explain anything that the universalist actually believe, It has been a heretical view since the beginning of Christianity. You show a great confusion regarding one of the hallmarks of Christianity, namely the Incarnation. It might also come from a misunderstanding...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    Predestination states that God chooses who will believe. Man is not free to chose. The Bible clearly teaches that man chooses and is responsible for what he does with the gifts God imparts to all men. Well, the extent of His work was to save the world from death and sin, Every single person...
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    What do we tell unsaved about biblical election?

    The parable of the sower is directly opposite of what the hyper-Calvinists hold I have no idea what you say here relates to what I stated. So do I as well as my Church. However there is nothing that I stated that even resembles Pelagianism. I believe that Jesus saves as well. God gives...
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