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There has only been forever one gospel. The first appearance of the gospel rose was in Gen 3:15 when the first bud of it was revealed. But now in the NT, this "mystery" gospel has been fully revealed (Col 1:26) Seriously? Is not the NC the fulfillment of God's promise to Abraham that through...

What you state in your first sentence is correct; yet, at the same time the gospel that was preached in the OT was still in "mystery" form compared to what is revealed in the NT. Your second statement is also true, as all the OT covenants gradually build upon one another and find their ultimate...

Amen to that! As for me and my [reformed] household, we hold to New Covenant Theology (NCT). :)

Here's the key to understanding John 17: John 17:2 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to ALL those you have given him. NIV ALL in the qualitative sense! You see, gents, it's your heresy that is entirely incoherent. (See the two questions I have...

You keep posting those passages as though they mean all, but I have proven that many of the do not. You need to come up with some new "proof texts". :ROFLMAO:

MAN YOU GUYS ARE THICK. How many times do I have to tell you I never said a "select few". Explain why the elect MUST be only a select few. Explain your rationale. And explain your rationale for why universal atonement must mean a huge number of saved people.

I never had a such notion. Those were words YOU put into my mouth. YOU own the notion.

Christ died for ONLY those he prayed for in John 17, i.e. elect Jews and elect Gentiles.

No, I have not abandoned my position. Can anyone know from scripture the exact number of God's elect that he predestined to save? If you know the number, give chapter and verse, please. Otherwise, take a hike.

Actually quite a few. See Rev 7:9. What part of that text don't you understand? Unless, of course, you believe there's people in heaven for whom Christ did not die!

I have previously refuted the first three of your so-called proof-texts. I even pointed out to you that Jn 3:16 does NOT say that Jesus so loved "everyone in" the world; therefore, it's open to interpretation. It's open to be understood qualitatively. I also pointed out that YOUR...

No, the "dogma" is that Jesus died for many. You need to quote the passage from which you get the idea of "few". Do you get that from Rev 7:9? Also, whether you know it or not, YOU also believe in limited atonement, since you limit the extent QUALITATIVELY. You believe Christ died for all...

quote]Doran said: how come Jesus in John 17 limited his prayer to the elect and excluded the very world that you insist he died for? But Jesus died for each and every person in the world, didn't he? So, why would he explicitly and intentionally and deliberately omit the world from his...

Wow! I'm impressed. I asked for one and you gave me six. (y) And it might surprise you that I agree with those passages. So...this is good news. We finally have found some common ground. We have found something with which we can both agree. And you obviously know what an explicit passage...

Post number(s), please. You also claimed that you addressed my question about Rev 7:9. I asked you for that post number also. Crickets is what I got for an answer.

Oh but I do believe Christ died for all... qualitatively. For example, he died for ALL his elect. All his sheep. For all whom the Father gave him. For the entire church. For all God's covenant people. For all of His friends.

UABs, here's another question for you. Since God never intended to save all men, without exception, explain how without that kind of intentionaltiy it makes any sense for God to send his Son to die for all those who he never intended to save? Moreover, how does it make any sense for God to...

Hey, UAB's how come you never tackled the two scriptures in my 886? What's taking you so long?

UABs: How do you reconcile all the various "many" passages with all the various passages that you interpret as "all" in the distributive sense?