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What does it mean for someone (a baptized infant in this case) to “believe” until the are sufficiently mature to “choose” if they believe or not?
Is being IN CHRIST something that comes and goes?
It doesn’t.
It never says to ‘not baptize’ anyone. That is the point that I cannot get Josiah to accept. Baptist do not claim scripture FORBIDS baptism under condition ‘X’. Scripture describes baptism occurring under condition ‘Y’, so anytime you have ‘Y’ you should have a baptism.
Baptism...
So many words and so little supporting scripture.
So I am left with the same option that I have always been faced, to either honor all of the things Holy Scripture describes as being associated with baptism (like the person being baptized also hearing and believing) or abandoning that for VERY...
I have some spare time, so I will meet you part way and answer ONE of your questions (with scripture as requested) then wait for you to respond to mine ...
Requested Scriptures:
[Mat 3:6, 11, 13-14, 16 MGNT] 6 καὶ ἐβαπτίζοντο ἐν τῷ Ἰορδάνῃ ποταμῷ ὑπ’ αὐτοῦ ἐξομολογούμενοι τὰς ἁμαρτίας αὐτῶν...
:taz:
If you really want to discuss this, feel free to pick a verse and a command where you would like to start and we can discuss what scripture says and what our respective churches do.
:taz:
If you really want to discuss this, feel free to pick a verse and a command where you would like to start and we can discuss what scripture says and what our respective churches do.
After reading the thread, I thought “there is NOTHING to be said”. Then I saw your ‘deleted’ post and it seemed to sum up exactly how I feel about a theological discussion on ET.
I agree that Barnes makes a good case, until you read a commentary that reaches a different conclusion ... then you are back where you started: Does ALL mean "everyone without exception" or does ALL mean "some from every tribe, tongue and nation"?
[2Co 3:2 NASB] 2 You are our letter, written...
Liar ... you wrote it in post 851, which I quoted.
Now either put up and provide the verse, or shut up and admit the Bible does not state VERBATIM “Jesus died for all.”
I don’t have a problem with seeing that position and I once held it myself. I am aware of the scriptures and how they can be and are interpreted by many (perhaps even most) theologians as affirming unlimited Atonement. I simply disagree (along with the overwhelming majority of Reformed...
You are right. You said “precisely, directly, literally, verbatim, often”.
So I am waiting for the “often” appearing verses that state “precisely, directly, literally, verbatim” the following ... “Jesus died for all”.
The definition of “literally” and “verbatim” remains unchanged, so let’s...
There are no prohibitions, there are commands that you choose to ignore ...
"make disciples" and "baptizing" [Matthew 28:19]
Did you make them disciples when they were being baptized?
"Repent" and "be baptized" [Acts 2:38]
Did they repent before they were baptized?
"received his word were...