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You could always order some off the internet and find out. :)

I know those facts.(I actually said it is an earlier post) Which is one reason you can't just say "the early church did this or that". There was a wide variety of beliefs and practices in the early church that we either do not do today (like making people be baptized naked) or the erroneous...

Now your just being silly. You know, the whole make disciples of all nations to the ends of the earth thing. I already have. Acts 16:34 and Acts 18:8 both say entire households "believed" 34 And he brought them into his house and set food before them, and was overjoyed, since he had become a...

I agree. But you still can't give your child faith, no matter how much you would love to. Teaching comes from the parents and community. Faith comes from God. Baptizing them doesn't give them faith any more than reading them scripture gives them faith or singing worship songs with them gives...

Do you think there is a difference in "Making disciples" and "teaching disciples"? And at what point does one become a disciple? Is it when one comes to a personal belief/faith, when one gets baptized, or some other point?

Correct, but the one's we do know about are all baptism after faith is expressed. I had rather practice what we know was done than what think might have been done. What is so wrong with Baptizing new converts and teaching our children the Gospel and praying for our Children that God will...

According to my Baptist Tradition, making disciples comes from teaching and preaching the Gospel and is work of the Holy Spirit that brings people to faith and repentance as a result of preaching/teaching the Gospel message to unbelievers. It is the hope that by proclaiming the gospel message...

Not necessarily. I believe and witness young children come to faith and get baptized regularly. Both my sons were baptized under the age of 6. Age isn't the defining factor. Faith is. I've seen children as young as 4 be baptized in a Southern Baptist church. Just an FYI- When a child...

What we do have are examples of people being baptized that are clear and not based on assumption (like who made up a particular household). All of those clear examples of people being baptized are people who, in some form or fashion, expressed faith/belief in Christ. That is the model of...

There is nothing to disagree with. Just like today, the Gospel was being preached and people coming to faith. When people came to faith they eventually were baptized. This included greats like Gregory of Nazianzum, St. Chrysostom, and St. Augustine who were all baptized as converts despite...

I can if they are using inference to say something conclusive. All I'm doing is saying that it isn't a good and persuasive argument, historical or not, you don't use inference to argue truth. It is, at best speculative.

Christians had babies in the 1st century as well. Consider the Didache, The oldest non Scriptural document that is considered an authentic record of church activities. It gives instructions on all kinds of things, including baptism. This was written somewhere around the end of the 1st...

I'm saying I don't know and there is no way to know.

I had a positive covid test this week. I had been vaccinated and my symptoms were very mild. I'm on day 6 and have virtually no symptoms. However, I will be quarantined until at least next Wednesday and now that I'm near 100% as far as energy goes I'm already starting to get stir crazy...

As i posted early and quoted noted Church Historian Phillip Schaff. For the first 300 years or so the normative baptism was baptism after conversion. The real question is why did that fact change hundreds of years after after the founding of the church?

Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, Eph 5:25 Sorry, I couldn't resist.:)

I disagree. I've already shown that entire households were have said to believed, received the Holy Spirit, or been converted. Specfically, the only one that is in doubt is Lydia's household. We don't know the ages or number in the household. For all we know the youngest was 15 or 12 or 10...

39 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself. I don't see that as go home and baptize your kids. I see it as an encouragement that the promise is for anyone. From your kids in your house to the people across...

And where does it specifically tell us to baptize infants? You can't use sola scriputura as the test for infant baptism because it is not commanded in the Scriptures nor is it forbidden. It can only be inferred by believing the term "households" included infants. I've shown where, in most...

No does it prove that babies were present. It is, at best, speculation either way. I didn't say it didn't happen. I said it wasn't the norm. Also, Polycarp saying he had been a discple 88 years (or whatever it was) doesn't necessarily mean was baptized as a infant. It could be he was...