Is Christian theology a science?

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I made a video on this, please message me if you would like to view (on instagram).

Outside of that, what is your opinion on whether theology is a science?
 

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Why don't you tell us what your video said...yes or no to the question?
 

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Since I don't use Instagram, or any of those sort of things, why don't you tell us what you are referring to as "science"?

For me, science refers to the process of understanding the world around us through the (simply stated) process of 'Observe, Test, Evaluate' and I have a difficult time relating that to theology.
 

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Why don't you tell us what your video said...yes or no to the question?
I said no, but I made a good case for those who disagree
 

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Since I don't use Instagram, or any of those sort of things, why don't you tell us what you are referring to as "science"?

For me, science refers to the process of understanding the world around us through the (simply stated) process of 'Observe, Test, Evaluate' and I have a difficult time relating that to theology.

The working definition of science on which I base my question is: the ability to learn new objective truths about the subject via the scientific method. I don't refute this in my video, at least not completely; I say that nowhere in the Bible does our Lord and Savior say that our faith should be so rigid, logical, scientific.
 
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The working definition of science on which I base my question is: the ability to learn new objective truths about the subject via the scientific method. I don't refute this in my video, at least not completely; I say that nowhere in the Bible does our Lord and Savior say that our faith should be so rigid, logical, scientific.
Literally speaking, @just_legalism, theology is the study of God. Since God is non-material, science as the study of the material universe wouldn't compare. The best theology, however, is based on the Bible alone and God's assumptions, history, and teachings in it. Of course, we need to look at the universe with "God's eyes" through the Bible's "lenses," its principles.
 

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However, there's also a distinction between true science and pseudo-science.

Darwinian evolution for example is pseudo-science, assumptions assumed as a fact without the proof.

There is much science in The Bible, but I don't think that requires the Scientific Method, which was created by Sir Francis Bacon only in16th century Britain.

One of the things in God's Word is with God giving the Levitical priesthood to do various washings with 'running' water.

In the middle ages, doctors would treat one patient, wash their hands in a bowl of water, then go to the next patient. Then they'd come back and wash their hands in that same dirty bowl of water. Several patients in the same ward started coming down with the same disease. They eventually figured out to wash their hands under 'running' water.
 

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Theology became separate from Philosophy. Theology is Revelation. Philosophy became Greek Reason.

For awhile, I had worked to figure out why theology wasn't just a part of Metaphysics. I ended up rediscovering some things. Talking about God to non-Believers, in this day and age, they possibly freak out on you. Things of God are foolishness to the ungodly.

Theology is revelation. In Christianity, we should work to be of one mind. (Philippians 2:2) Being of one mind, and being "In God" someone may be able to have Revelations. There is a brethren of believers.

Can theology be science? There is reason behind how God works. God works in reasonable ways. God made himself clearly known, and wicked men in academia, they worked to hide him away. (Romans 1:18-25)
 

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I made a video on this, please message me if you would like to view (on instagram).

Outside of that, what is your opinion on whether theology is a science?
What about the science of the Bible? Let's look at evolution, global warming, and climate change for example. Let's look at Job 39 for answers from the Lord on that subject:

38 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

The Lord explains to Job the scientific principles in his construction of the world.
 

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I made a video on this, please message me if you would like to view (on instagram).

Outside of that, what is your opinion on whether theology is a science?
Here's some basic Biblical scientific formulas and a Commandment:

-Call upon the Lord and you will be saved

-Call upon the Name of the Lord and He will answer

-Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Apply these in your life, and watch what the Lord's science can do for you.

Here's a basic principal overlooked by many attempting to build a relationship with the Real Scientist:

1 Corinthians 13

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13 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.


So as we look at a few basics of the Bible. the physics of love and your love for the Lord will directly affect your understanding and ability to use these scientific principles.
 

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I made a video on this, please message me if you would like to view (on instagram).

Outside of that, what is your opinion on whether theology is a science?
Here's a scientific principle from the Bible that people have been at odds with throughout history:

What the Lord says, He will accomplish.

One example with modern results is Ezekiel 37:

The Valley of Dry Bones

1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, 2And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. 3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. 4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. 5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: 6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.

7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone. 8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them. 9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live. 10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

The Vision Explained

11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. 12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. 13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, 14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.

Fo see the results of this spoken word, with full commentary by participants and observers refer to this TV series:

Against all Odds; Against All Odds: Israel Survives (TV Mini Series 2011) - Episode list - IMDb

 
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The Bible teaches that God made the universe; he shines his divine nature through it to reveal his greatness; and he inspired the Bible as his revelation of himself to us, which acts as his lens showing his will and ways like eyeglasses. We need to use the Bible's principles to enlighten us in looking at God's universe, not the other way around.

Gen 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Rom 1:19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.
Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made.

Psa 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
 

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Here's a really good explanation of the Lord's Powerful Science:



So Will I (100 Billion X)

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Hillsong UNITED

God of creation
There at the start
Before the beginning of time
With no point of reference
You spoke to the dark
And fleshed out the wonder of light
And as You speak
A hundred billion galaxies are born
In the vapour of Your breath, the planets form
If the stars were made to worship, so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You've made
Every burning star, a signal fire of grace
If creation sings Your praises, so will I
God of Your promise
You don't speak in vain
No syllable empty or void
For once You have spoken
All nature and science
Follow the sound of Your voice
And as You speak
A hundred billion creatures catch Your breath
Evolving in pursuit of what You said
If it all reveals Your nature, so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You say
Every painted sky, a canvas of Your grace
If creation still obeys You, so will I
So will I
So will I
If the stars were made to worship, so will I
If the mountains bow in reverence, so will I
If the oceans roar Your greatness, so will I
For if everything exists to lift You high, so will I
If the wind goes where You send it, so will I
If the rocks cry out in silence, so will I
If the sum of all our praises still falls shy
Then we'll sing again a hundred billion times
God of salvation
You chased down my heart
Through all of my failure and pride
On a hill You created
The Light of the world
Abandoned in darkness to die
And as You speak
A hundred billion failures disappear
Where You lost Your life so I could find it here
If You left the grave behind You, so will I
I can see Your heart in everything You've done
Every part designed in a work of art called love
If You gladly chose surrender, so will I
I can see Your heart, eight billion different ways
Every precious one, a child You died to save
And if You gave Your life to love them, so will I
Like You would again a hundred billion times
But what measure could amount to Your desire?
You're the One who never leaves the one behind
 
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However, there's also a distinction between true science and pseudo-science.

Darwinian evolution for example is pseudo-science, assumptions assumed as a fact without the proof.

But I read it on the internet so it has to be true, lol.
 

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It can't be science. Science is of the observable universe, and the Lord told us to look to the unseen! So there's a faith factor involved. We hope for what we can't see. If we can see it, then where is the hope? How can there be faith?

So the Bible is in no way a science book. But sometimes our science has a breakthrough! And they shake their heads and say, wow, that's what the Bible has been saying all along...

Examples of that is, every scripture in the Bible. How about Genesis 1:1 In the beginning (Time), God created the Heavens and the earth (Space & Matter)
1st verse right off the bat. There's the answer right there. All we have to do is look to the unseen and Believe it.
 

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Theology became separate from Philosophy. Theology is Revelation. Philosophy became Greek Reason.

For awhile, I had worked to figure out why theology wasn't just a part of Metaphysics. I ended up rediscovering some things. Talking about God to non-Believers, in this day and age, they possibly freak out on you. Things of God are foolishness to the ungodly.

Theology is revelation. In Christianity, we should work to be of one mind. (Philippians 2:2) Being of one mind, and being "In God" someone may be able to have Revelations. There is a brethren of believers.

Can theology be science? There is reason behind how God works. God works in reasonable ways. God made himself clearly known, and wicked men in academia, they worked to hide him away. (Romans 1:18-25)
People in our American culture don't "freak out" when I talk with them about God. I do it by simply sharing what he has done in my life, not that they should experience him too. I try to establish a personal relationship with unbelievers through a common interest that we can talk about and then at some point share my experiences with God. If they "freak out," that's their responsibility before God. At least, I've fulfilled mine in being his witness.
 

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This is one of the greatest scientific principals the Lord has provided us:

Mercy Triumphs over Judgement!

 
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