There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement (The End)

Truth7t7 · May 17, 2025

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shaall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

SetFree · May 17, 2025

My Opening Statements of Why the Amillennial Theory Fails:

How Amillennial Theory Errs --

1. The Amill theory views the millennium kingdom as happening at the present time, from the time of the cross to Christ's future 2nd coming. But Lord Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this present world time...

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence."
KJV

Amill errs in not understanding the difference between Christ's kingdom established via The Spirit, which is what Jesus established at His death and resurrection, compared with His future physical Kingdom at His 2nd coming which is still yet to come, and is when He will reign over His enemies with His "rod of iron", and with His elect Church reigning over the nations with Him, as written in Matthew 19 and Revelation 2:27.

2. Amil wrongly views the age between Christ's 1st coming and His 2nd coming as fulfilling the "great tribulation" and "thousand years" prophecy of Revelation 20. That is to say, they believe the "great tribulation" began right after Christ's crucifixion, as also the "thousand years" idea written of in Revelation 20. The "thousand years" as written actually happens after Christ's future 2nd coming. Revelation 19 events reveal the day of Christ's future 2nd coming, and the final battle of this present world that Christ and His army comes to fight. Then Revelation 20 begins with His "thousand years" reign over the wicked with Satan locked in his pit prison for the thousand years. This follows the Old Testament prophecies about that future reign by Christ over the wicked, per Psalms 2, and Isaiah 24:19-23 when the kings of the earth will be locked in the pit prison also, and then visited after many years (i.e., after the "thousand years" of Rev.20).

3. Amill wrongly views Satan as having already been 'bound' at the time of Christ's crucifixion. That is not true, as Apostle Peter reveals below...

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

Satan will not be literally 'bound' in his pit prison until the 2nd coming of Lord Jesus Christ, as written in Revelation 20.

4. Amill wrongly views when some of the graves of the saints were opened when Lord Jesus died on the cross, that was proof that Christ's complete kingdom came right then. That is not true simply because of the many New Testament Scriptures that show there is still yet to be a final future resurrection, and it would take up much, much space here for me to cite each example (1 Thess.4:13-16; 1 Cor.15; Acts 23:6; Acts 24:15; John 5:28-29; 2 Timothy 2:17-18; John 6:40, for just a few).

Also, there are many Bible Scriptures that describe prophecies that will occur with Christ's future 2nd coming which define the coming then of His Physical Kingdom on earth. At His 1st coming He only established His kingdom of The Spirit here on earth. His future physical Kingdom when He comes to inherit David's throne on earth, with His 12 Apostles also inheriting 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel, is still in abeyance today, still expecting.

5. Amill wrongly views Pentecost as a proof that Christ's 'complete' kingdom had come on earth. Again, because the many Bible prophecies of future events yet to happen involving Christ's future 2nd coming, those Scripture proofs reveal Christ's PHYSICAL Kingdom has not yet come to earth today. Only His kingdom of The Spirit is here on earth today with His Church.

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
KJV

In the above verse, Lord Jesus is pointing out how His kingdom presented at His 1st coming is about a kingdom of The Spirit, and not His future physical Kingdom still to come. When He said, "the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU," He meant that 'within you' part literally, via The Holy Spirit. The manifesting of The Holy Spirit in His servants is a proof of the SPIRITUAL KINGDOM, not His future PHYSICAL KINGDOM that will be established after His future 2nd coming.

For Christ's literal PHYSICAL KINGDOM to come, the following event must first happen with His future return...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, "That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

That in red above is still yet to happen today. It won't happen until Lord Jesus returns to this earth at His future 2nd coming. That "throne of His glory" is about the throne of His inheritance, the throne of David, which is an earthly throne.

6. Amill views the persecutions of Christians after Christ's death and resurrection as fulfilling the prophecies of the "great tribulation", thus they believe the tribulation began at the start of the Church age, and is not to be understood as a specific end time event, but interpreted in a 'spiritualization' sense. This kind of view is dangerous, because it attempts to re-interpret Bible prophecy according to a limited view of Christ's kingdom, and timeline of events that Jesus gave the Church in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation.

These following Olivet discourse Scriptures are of Christ giving His Church the main SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future 2nd coming...

Matt 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Lord Jesus quoted that from Daniel 11 about the final Antichrist still yet to come placing that "abomination of desolation" IDOL at the stone temple in Jerusalem.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
KJV

Jesus then gave instructions at that time, for His servants in Jerusalem to flee to the mountains when they see that AOD setup in Jerusalem, and don't go back in the house, nor if in the field return to the house to get clothes, etc. That "abomination of desolation" event has NEVER happened yet to this day in Jerusalem. Some wrongly claim it was fulfilled in 165 B.C. by Antiochus IV, but Jesus quoted that AOD from the Book of Daniel about 200 years after Antiochus had long been dead.

The placing of that abomination idol thus MARKS the time when the "great tribulation" will begin, as written there with what Lord Jesus proclaimed. And that disproves Amill's theory that the tribulation began right after Christ's death and resurrection.

More later...

Truth7t7 · May 17, 2025

SetFree said:
My Opening Statements of Why the Amillennial Theory Fails:

How Amillennial Theory Errs --

1. The Amill theory views the millennium kingdom as happening at the present time, from the time of the cross to Christ's future 2nd coming. But Lord Jesus said His Kingdom is not of this present world time...

John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence."
KJV

Amill errs in not understanding the difference between Christ's kingdom established via The Spirit, which is what Jesus established at His death and resurrection, compared with His future physical Kingdom at His 2nd coming which is still yet to come, and is when He will reign over His enemies with His "rod of iron", and with His elect Church reigning over the nations with Him, as written in Matthew 19 and Revelation 2:27.

2. Amil wrongly views the age between Christ's 1st coming and His 2nd coming as fulfilling the "great tribulation" and "thousand years" prophecy of Revelation 20. That is to say, they believe the "great tribulation" began right after Christ's crucifixion, as also the "thousand years" idea written of in Revelation 20. The "thousand years" as written actually happens after Christ's future 2nd coming. Revelation 19 events reveal the day of Christ's future 2nd coming, and the final battle of this present world that Christ and His army comes to fight. Then Revelation 20 begins with His "thousand years" reign over the wicked with Satan locked in his pit prison for the thousand years. This follows the Old Testament prophecies about that future reign by Christ over the wicked, per Psalms 2, and Isaiah 24:19-23 when the kings of the earth will be locked in the pit prison also, and then visited after many years (i.e., after the "thousand years" of Rev.20).

3. Amill wrongly views Satan as having already been 'bound' at the time of Christ's crucifixion. That is not true, as Apostle Peter reveals below...

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

Satan will not be literally 'bound' in his pit prison until the 2nd coming of Lord Jesus Christ, as written in Revelation 20.

4. Amill wrongly views when some of the graves of the saints were opened when Lord Jesus died on the cross, that was proof that Christ's complete kingdom came right then. That is not true simply because of the many New Testament Scriptures that show there is still yet to be a final future resurrection, and it would take up much, much space here for me to cite each example (1 Thess.4:13-16; 1 Cor.15; Acts 23:6; Acts 24:15; John 5:28-29; 2 Timothy 2:17-18; John 6:40, for just a few).

Also, there are many Bible Scriptures that describe prophecies that will occur with Christ's future 2nd coming which define the coming then of His Physical Kingdom on earth. At His 1st coming He only established His kingdom of The Spirit here on earth. His future physical Kingdom when He comes to inherit David's throne on earth, with His 12 Apostles also inheriting 12 thrones over the 12 tribes of Israel, is still in abeyance today, still expecting.

5. Amill wrongly views Pentecost as a proof that Christ's 'complete' kingdom had come on earth. Again, because the many Bible prophecies of future events yet to happen involving Christ's future 2nd coming, those Scripture proofs reveal Christ's PHYSICAL Kingdom has not yet come to earth today. Only His kingdom of The Spirit is here on earth today with His Church.

Luke 17:20-21
20 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
KJV

In the above verse, Lord Jesus is pointing out how His kingdom presented at His 1st coming is about a kingdom of The Spirit, and not His future physical Kingdom still to come. When He said, "the kingdom of God is WITHIN YOU," He meant that 'within you' part literally, via The Holy Spirit. The manifesting of The Holy Spirit in His servants is a proof of the SPIRITUAL KINGDOM, not His future PHYSICAL KINGDOM that will be established after His future 2nd coming.

For Christ's literal PHYSICAL KINGDOM to come, the following event must first happen with His future return...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, "That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

That in red above is still yet to happen today. It won't happen until Lord Jesus returns to this earth at His future 2nd coming. That "throne of His glory" is about the throne of His inheritance, the throne of David, which is an earthly throne.

6. Amill views the persecutions of Christians after Christ's death and resurrection as fulfilling the prophecies of the "great tribulation", thus they believe the tribulation began at the start of the Church age, and is not to be understood as a specific end time event, but interpreted in a 'spiritualization' sense. This kind of view is dangerous, because it attempts to re-interpret Bible prophecy according to a limited view of Christ's kingdom, and timeline of events that Jesus gave the Church in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation.

These following Olivet discourse Scriptures are of Christ giving His Church the main SIGNS of the end of this world leading up to His future 2nd coming...

Matt 24:15-22
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Lord Jesus quoted that from Daniel 11 about the final Antichrist still yet to come placing that "abomination of desolation" IDOL at the stone temple in Jerusalem.

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
KJV

Jesus then gave instructions at that time, for His servants in Jerusalem to flee to the mountains when they see that AOD setup in Jerusalem, and don't go back in the house, nor if in the field return to the house to get clothes, etc. That "abomination of desolation" event has NEVER happened yet to this day in Jerusalem. Some wrongly claim it was fulfilled in 165 B.C. by Antiochus IV, but Jesus quoted that AOD from the Book of Daniel about 200 years after Antiochus had long been dead.

The placing of that abomination idol thus MARKS the time when the "great tribulation" will begin, as written there with what Lord Jesus proclaimed. And that disproves Amill's theory that the tribulation began right after Christ's death and resurrection.

More later...

OK you gave your opening statement "Great"!

Now please respond to the OP relating to God's fire in final judgment at his return (The End)

SetFree · May 18, 2025

(Continuing my opening statement from Post #2...)

7. The Old Testament Scriptures reveal that a spiritual regeneration for those to whom the promises were made must be accomplished first, before Christ's physical Kingdom can come...

Jer 3:14-18
14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

15 And I will give you pastors according to Mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, "The ark of the covenant of the LORD": neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
KJV

The following Jeremiah 31 Scripture is an example of Christ's future literal physical Kingdom once Israel is purged of her sins and her kingdom re-established after Jesus has gathered them at His future 2nd coming. There are many such prophecies still future written in The Old Testament prophets which will come to pass as written in the future with Jesus' 2nd coming...

Jer 31:1-12
31 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people.

2 Thus saith the LORD, 'The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

Of course the Biblically illiterate will not understand which "Israel" God is pointing to above with that "wilderness" idea. It relates to when God scattered the northern ten tribes of the northern "kingdom of Israel" out of the holy land by the kings of Assyria, never to return as a people (see 2 Kings 17). Only the 3-tribe "house of Judah" or "kingdom of Judah", was left in the holy land when that happened. God refers to His scattering the ten tribes to the "wilderness" through His prophet Hosea in Hosea 2:14. That is about when the ten tribes migrated to new lands in the West to become the founders western Christian nations. That is why God will mention the tribe of Ephraim here a little later here, because Ephraim was the head tribe over the ten tribes.

3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, "Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

Samaria was the capital city of the northern "kingdom of Israel" (ten tribes) after God split the old nation of Israel into two kingdoms after Solomon's day (see 1 Kings 11 forward). So God is specifically speaking about the ten lost tribes of Israel being re-established, which still has not yet happened today.

6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.

7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

Reference to "Jacob" after God split old Israel means all 12 tribes together. So God is pointing to their future rejoining, which is a direct pointer to Christ's coming literal Kingdom still yet to be established upon this earth. Why am I sure of this? Because the majority of Jews today still reject Lord Jesus Christ as Messiah of Old Testament prophecy. When this Scripture here is fulfilled, that rejection of Christ Jesus will no longer be.

8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.

Again, that reference to Ephraim as "My firstborn", is about how God made one of Ephraim king over the ten tribes of Israel when He split old Israel into two separate kingdoms (1 Kings 11).

Per 1 Chronicles 5, God's Birthright went to Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. The Genesis 48 prophecy to Ephraim was that his seed would become "a multitude of nations". That was fulfilled in the Christian west where the majority of the ten lost tribes migrated to after their Assyrian captivity. Even the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and were a great number of people. And there exists a history recorded by the Assyrians about the northern ten tribe's captivity to Assyria, and new names they took identified with the Cimmerian peoples that migrated westward into Asia Minor and Europe. This is where names like Cimmerian and Celt ("C" pronounced like a "K") was derived.

10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He That scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Again, God is referring to the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel" which He scattered out of the holy land into new lands in the symbolic "wilderness". That is why He points to "the isles afar off" in relation to scattered Israel (ten tribes). What Isles? Areas like the British Isles, as Britain historically was the first Christian nation to accept The Gospel on a national scale, even when Rome was still following paganism. In Amos 9:9, God said He will sift the house of Israel among the nations like corn through a sieve, and not the least grain will fall to the ground. That is about Christ's future gathering of Israel back to the holy lands He promised their fathers, and that is part of how Christ's future Kingdom will manifest at His 2nd coming. Until then, today, the Church is only seeing His kingdom of The Spirit on earth.

11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

That is a type statement written in a prophetic-perfect tense. It is written like it already happened, yet it will actually come to pass some time in the future.

12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.
KJV

That prophecy is just one of many in The Old Testament prophets about Christ's future restoration of the kingdom of Israel at His coming. That is why Christ's Apostles asked Him in Acts 1 if at that time was when He was going to restore Israel. It was because they understood Scripture like the above from the Old Testament prophets.

Man's theory of Amillennialism instead bypasses those Old Testament prophecies as being literal, and chooses to re-interpret them outside of their original context, and instead 'spiritualize' those prophecies to fit their New Testament theories. Doing that is great error, because the purpose of The New Testament is to confirm fulfillment of what was prophesied in The Old Testament. That means New Testament doctrines that create disagreement with the Old Testament written prophecies reveals an intended corruption of the Biblical text.

(Continued...)

Truth7t7 · May 18, 2025

SetFree said:
(Continuing my opening statement from Post #2...)

7. The Old Testament Scriptures reveal that a spiritual regeneration for those to whom the promises were made must be accomplished first, before Christ's physical Kingdom can come...

Jer 3:14-18
14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

15 And I will give you pastors according to Mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

16 And it shall come to pass, when ye be multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more, "The ark of the covenant of the LORD": neither shall it come to mind: neither shall they remember it; neither shall they visit it; neither shall that be done any more.

17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

18 In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.
KJV

The following Jeremiah 31 Scripture is an example of Christ's future literal physical Kingdom once Israel is purged of her sins and her kingdom re-established after Jesus has gathered them at His future 2nd coming. There are many such prophecies still future written in The Old Testament prophets which will come to pass as written in the future with Jesus' 2nd coming...

Jer 31:1-12
31 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be My people.

2 Thus saith the LORD, 'The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.

Of course the Biblically illiterate will not understand which "Israel" God is pointing to above with that "wilderness" idea. It relates to when God scattered the northern ten tribes of the northern "kingdom of Israel" out of the holy land by the kings of Assyria, never to return as a people (see 2 Kings 17). Only the 3-tribe "house of Judah" or "kingdom of Judah", was left in the holy land when that happened. God refers to His scattering the ten tribes to the "wilderness" through His prophet Hosea in Hosea 2:14. That is about when the ten tribes migrated to new lands in the West to become the founders western Christian nations. That is why God will mention the tribe of Ephraim here a little later here, because Ephraim was the head tribe over the ten tribes.

3 The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, "Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

4 Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.

5 Thou shalt yet plant vines upon the mountains of Samaria: the planters shall plant, and shall eat them as common things.

Samaria was the capital city of the northern "kingdom of Israel" (ten tribes) after God split the old nation of Israel into two kingdoms after Solomon's day (see 1 Kings 11 forward). So God is specifically speaking about the ten lost tribes of Israel being re-established, which still has not yet happened today.

6 For there shall be a day, that the watchmen upon the mount Ephraim shall cry, Arise ye, and let us go up to Zion unto the LORD our God.

7 For thus saith the LORD; Sing with gladness for Jacob, and shout among the chief of the nations: publish ye, praise ye, and say, O LORD, save thy people, the remnant of Israel.

Reference to "Jacob" after God split old Israel means all 12 tribes together. So God is pointing to their future rejoining, which is a direct pointer to Christ's coming literal Kingdom still yet to be established upon this earth. Why am I sure of this? Because the majority of Jews today still reject Lord Jesus Christ as Messiah of Old Testament prophecy. When this Scripture here is fulfilled, that rejection of Christ Jesus will no longer be.

8 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the coasts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together: a great company shall return thither.
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.

Again, that reference to Ephraim as "My firstborn", is about how God made one of Ephraim king over the ten tribes of Israel when He split old Israel into two separate kingdoms (1 Kings 11).

Per 1 Chronicles 5, God's Birthright went to Joseph's two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. The Genesis 48 prophecy to Ephraim was that his seed would become "a multitude of nations". That was fulfilled in the Christian west where the majority of the ten lost tribes migrated to after their Assyrian captivity. Even the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said the ten tribes were still scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and were a great number of people. And there exists a history recorded by the Assyrians about the northern ten tribe's captivity to Assyria, and new names they took identified with the Cimmerian peoples that migrated westward into Asia Minor and Europe. This is where names like Cimmerian and Celt ("C" pronounced like a "K") was derived.

10 Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He That scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.

Again, God is referring to the ten lost tribes of the "house of Israel" which He scattered out of the holy land into new lands in the symbolic "wilderness". That is why He points to "the isles afar off" in relation to scattered Israel (ten tribes). What Isles? Areas like the British Isles, as Britain historically was the first Christian nation to accept The Gospel on a national scale, even when Rome was still following paganism. In Amos 9:9, God said He will sift the house of Israel among the nations like corn through a sieve, and not the least grain will fall to the ground. That is about Christ's future gathering of Israel back to the holy lands He promised their fathers, and that is part of how Christ's future Kingdom will manifest at His 2nd coming. Until then, today, the Church is only seeing His kingdom of The Spirit on earth.

11 For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he.

That is a type statement written in a prophetic-perfect tense. It is written like it already happened, yet it will actually come to pass some time in the future.

12 Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.
KJV

That prophecy is just one of many in The Old Testament prophets about Christ's future restoration of the kingdom of Israel at His coming. That is why Christ's Apostles asked Him in Acts 1 if at that time was when He was going to restore Israel. It was because they understood Scripture like the above from the Old Testament prophets.

Man's theory of Amillennialism instead bypasses those Old Testament prophecies as being literal, and chooses to re-interpret them outside of their original context, and instead 'spiritualize' those prophecies to fit their New Testament theories. Doing that is great error, because the purpose of The New Testament is to confirm fulfillment of what was prophesied in The Old Testament. That means New Testament doctrines that create disagreement with the Old Testament written prophecies reveals an intended corruption of the Biblical text.

(Continued...)

OK you gave your opening statement "Great"!

You now have the words (continued) on your statements without a response to the OP why?

Once Again, Please respond to the OP relating to God's fire in final judgment at his return (The End)

SetFree · May 18, 2025

(Continued from my Post#4...)

8. The spiritual component of God's Plan of Salvation still to this day has not yet been accepted by the majority of the Jews. That serves as another proof that Christ's physical Kingdom has still not yet come today. We are only in His kingdom of The Spirit at present. Again, I refer to John 18:36 where Jesus revealed that His physical Kingdom is not... of this present world time. The theory of Amillennialism instead rejects this, and instead claims Christ's literal physical Kingdom is already established on earth today also.

9. The Amill theory relies only on The New Testament Gospel Books to try and prove their claim that Christ's physical Kingdom has already come today. By that they disregard the many Old Testament prophecies about Christ's future physical Kingdom still yet to come today. This is why I gave those Jeremiah 3 and Jeremiah 31 examples above. There are quite a few more Bible witnesses like those written in The Old Testament prophets that are still yet to be fulfilled. Apostle Paul quoted quite a few of them in The New Testament also.

10. Amillennialism rejects the fact that Christ's Book of Revelation, which was written after The Four Gospels, still presents a picture of the kingdom in the same respect as The Old Testament prophecies do. Amill instead treats Scripture like Revelation and The Old Testament as somewhat unclear, and must be re-interpreted in light of more simple New Testament Scriptures. In reality, that way they can insert their own theories into the Scripture that does not exist, removing the original Scripture context.

For example, the mention of the "thousand years" millennium in Revelation 20 is about a literal period of Christ's future reign over His enemies, His elect reigning with Him. Man's Amill theory instead treats that "thousand years" as a metaphor only for the Church age, so they spiritualize those Revelation 20 events, thus removing the original written context of that Scripture. Furthermore, the 1st century Church fathers understood that Christ's "thousand years" reign will be a literal period, and is not just a spiritual metaphor.

Wittness of The Future Millennium Reign by Christ per 1st Century father Papias:

"The fourth century church historian Eusebius considered Papias to be a primary source for the millennial views of early fathers. He wrote:

In these [Papias' accounts] he says there would be a certain millennium after the resurrection, and that there would be a corporeal reign of Christ on this very earth; which things he appears to have imagined, as if they were authorized by the apostolic narrations, not understanding correctly those matters which they propounded mystically in their representations. . . . yet he was the cause why most of the ecclesiastical writers, urging the antiquity of the man, were carried away by a similar opinion; as, for instance Irenaeus, or any other that adopted such sentiments.1

All we have of Papias' writings are fragments taken from other ancient writers. He was evidently associated with Polycarp and John the apostle. Irenaeus said, “And these things [a futuristic, restored, Jewish kingdom] are borne witness to in writing by Papias, the hearer of John, and companion of Polycarp, in his fourth book.” 2It is debated whether or not Papias was actually a personal acquaintance of the Apostle John, but that he taught a literal millennium is not. Larry Crutchfield provides a thorough discussion of Papias' millennial view and his possible association with John and concludes: “When all of the evidence is weighed in the balance it seems that the scales must be tipped in favor of Papias' discipleship under the aged author of the Apocalypse.” 3 Papias was born anywhere from 61 to 71 AD4 so could very well have known John. Since Eusebius who disagreed with Papias’ millennial view and Irenaeus who agreed with Papias both considered him a proponent of a literal millennium, it is quite certain that he was."

Justin Martyr

Justin in his Dialogue with Trypho (written cir. 155) describes the belief in a literal millennium as the orthodox doctrine, though admitting that some denied it. He sees the millennium centered in Jerusalem and predicted by Old Testament prophets. Justin wrote, “But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, as the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare.”8 Justin did mention that, “many who belong to pure and pious faith, and are true Christians, think otherwise.” 9 Evidently there were already others who did not believe in a literal millennium at that point in history, but Justin does not supply their names."

(Above examples quoted from Critical Issues Commentary: Pre-Millennialism and the Early Church Fathers)

SetFree · May 18, 2025

Continued...

11. Because of how Amil treats the Old Testament Scripture needing to be re-interpreted in light of The New Testament, that wrongly suggests both Testaments are in disagreement with each other, and that creates a major problem. It would mean that The New Testament fulfillment did not really serve as a Witness to what was first prophesied to come by The Old Testament. It would mean the foundation of The Gospel first presented about Messiah’s coming per The Old Testament falls to the ground.

(See David's prophetic witness to Christ's crucifixion in Psalms 22, and Isaiah's witness in Isaiah 53. Also see the following Old Testament prophecies referred to in The New Testament, like these:

John 1:45
Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found Him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph."

Since Christ's Apostle Philip recognized Jesus as the "Prophet" Moses spoke of in Deuteronomy, and Isaiah spoke of in the Book of Isaiah, along with the rest of the Old Testament prophets, does that mean we should re-interpret and thus spiritualize those Old Testament Scriptures according to Amill theory? Isaiah was given to prophecy that Christ would born of a virgin, and The New Testament gave witness that happened literally. Should we instead just 'spiritualize' that Old Testament prophecy to fit a more modern sounding Christian world view?

Luke 24:27
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, He expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning Himself.
KJV

Luke 24:44
44 And He said unto them, "These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning Me."
KJV

How could our Lord Jesus expound those Old Testament Scriptures about Himself to His disciples if those things were not first written in The Old Testament, and able to be read, taught and understood?

Mic 5:2
2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
KJV

Do you remember the three wise men who followed the star, seeking Baby Jesus? and Herod who heard about it, and asked Israel's scribes and chief priests, and they told him it would be at Bethlehem, could that have been meant only in the 'spiritualized' sense like what men's Amill theories do with Scripture it deems as allegory? How would the wise men know Jesus would be born at Bethlehem if the Old Testament prophecy was just an allegory, or too vague to be literal?

12. "When Amil tries to claim The New Testament must be seen as the final authority in interpretation of The Old Testament, what they are actually doing by that is disconnecting The New Testament from its antecedent Old Testament context. This so Amil can insert their own assumptions and limited perspective from a narrow reading of The Gospels."

13. Thus Amil rejects the actual Biblical fact that The Old Testament prophecies are accepted at face-value with The New Testament giving Witness to many of those Old Testament prophecies coming true. And still to this day, there are many Old Testament prophecies yet to come to pass. This is why The Old Testament Scriptures are quoted so often in The New Testament, not to change what The Old Testament says, but to either show fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, or to give more information that fits along with the Old Testament prophecies, not change or re-interpret them.

14. Amil tries to treat what Apostle Peter said in Acts 2 on Pentecost, when he quoted from Joel 2:28-32, that it meant all... that Joel 2:28-32 Scripture was then fulfilled at Pentecost. Yet Peter did not imply any such idea. The reason is because in that Joel 2 prophecy there are other end time indicators given with it which points to the ending of this world on the “day of the Lord”, which is the future day of Christ’s 2nd coming and time of God’s “consuming fire” that will burn man’s works off this earth per 2 Peter 3:10. Thus Amil wrongly tries to justify the re-interpretation of the Old Testament in light of the New. They thus treat Peter’s mention of the Joel 2 passage to mean the Joel prophecy is a ‘spiritualization’. That’s actually trying to change the actual Joel prophecy, which Peter did not do, but simply quoted Joel 2:28-31 to show Pentecost was a proof of the manifesting of the cloven tongue prophesied by Joel.

Apostle Peter said at Pentecost...

Acts 2:16-21
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

The phrase "this is that" means an example of.

17 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on My servants and on My handmaidens I will pour out in those days of My Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved."
KJV

Note the events above in 'red'.

Those wonders in heaven and signs in the earth, blood, and fire, and smoke, the sun turned into darkness, the moon into blood, all those events are events specific to the very END of this world, just prior to Christ's future 2nd coming. Those certainly did NOT happen back in the days of Christ's Apostles, nor have happened yet today.

The sun turned to darkness sign...

Matt 24:29-30
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
KJV

That still has not happened yet today, for it is to occur immediately after the tribulation when Jesus returns like He said above.

Rev 6:12
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
KJV

There's another proof the sun turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, did not happen on the day of Pentecost. It means Peter was not claiming that part of the Joel 2:28-32 prophecy was fulfilled, but only the Joel part about the manifesting of the cloven tongue. And this means those in Christ had best be paying attention all the way up to Christ's future return with expecting to see those signs of the sun turned to darkness, and moon to blood events for the end of this world. Don't try to re-write the Old Testament prophecies, understand which parts have been fulfilled, and which parts have not yet been fulfilled.

Something else often missed by many about the manifesting of the cloven tongue. Per Mark 13 by Jesus about the future time of "great tribulation", He said some of us will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him, and to not premediate what we will say in that hour, but to speak what The Holy Spirit gives us to say. That means a "great tribulation" event at the end as a time for direct manifesting of the cloven tongue of Pentecost. And that definitely aligns with the prophecy about the end given in those Joel 2:28-32 verses.

SetFree · May 18, 2025

15. Amill theory disregards Christ's Book of Revelation, and thus represents it as being symbolic.

Yet Revelation is actually Lord Jesus as The Revealer. And it serves as His final prophecy of The New Testament. Revelation presents a solidly Premillennial view of the future, and is unchanged from the same picture presented in The Old Testament.

Revelation, especially the Revelation 6 Chapter, aligns with the signs of the end Lord Jesus gave in The Gospel of Matthew and Gospel of Mark (Matthew 24; Mark 13). All three of those Bible Chapters can be studied together, as the signs of the end Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse align with the Seals of Revelation 6. Therefore, when Amills claim the Book of Revelation is 'symbolic', and unclear, and other Bible Scripture must be consulted to re-interpret its symbols, they are rejecting the original context of Revelation as it aligns both with Old Testament prophecy, and even with Christ's Olivet discourse signs.

(I find that many brethren struggle with understanding Christ's Book of Revelation because they have not first studied their Old Testament Books as they should, because Revelation is written very much in the style of the Old Testament prophets. Many of its symbols were first written of in the prophets. Since Amill tries to use The Four Gospels as authority for understanding Old Testament prophecy, they show a disregard for the original context of Old Testament prophecy as they also do for the Book of Revelation.)

Symbols of Revelation:

God uses symbols all throughout His Word, but they always... refer to something that is literal. The Book of Revelation is just another example of that, similar to the Old Testament Books of God's prophets. Thus the underlying structure of the Book of Revelation is not really symbolic as some claim.

The Revelation 19 chapter declares the 2nd coming of Lord Jesus to fight the armies on earth, and overcome them. Then with the Revelation 20 chapter, saints of the future 'resurrection' are shown in connection with a "thousand years" period reign by Jesus and them. There is no other doctrine that fits that section of events other than the Premillennial view, which means the millennium "thousand years" starting right after Christ's 2nd coming and the future resurrection of John 5:28-29. It solidly presents a Premillennial timing for Christ's 2nd coming and a literal "thousand years" period that follows.

Truth7t7 · May 18, 2025

SetFree said:
15. Amill theory disregards Christ's Book of Revelation, and thus represents it as being symbolic.

Yet Revelation is actually Lord Jesus as The Revealer. And it serves as His final prophecy of The New Testament. Revelation presents a solidly Premillennial view of the future, and is unchanged from the same picture presented in The Old Testament.

Revelation, especially the Revelation 6 Chapter, aligns with the signs of the end Lord Jesus gave in The Gospel of Matthew and Gospel of Mark (Matthew 24; Mark 13). All three of those Bible Chapters can be studied together, as the signs of the end Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse align with the Seals of Revelation 6. Therefore, when Amills claim the Book of Revelation is 'symbolic', and unclear, and other Bible Scripture must be consulted to re-interpret its symbols, they are rejecting the original context of Revelation as it aligns both with Old Testament prophecy, and even with Christ's Olivet discourse signs.

(I find that many brethren struggle with understanding Christ's Book of Revelation because they have not first studied their Old Testament Books as they should, because Revelation is written very much in the style of the Old Testament prophets. Many of its symbols were first written of in the prophets. Since Amill tries to use The Four Gospels as authority for understanding Old Testament prophecy, they show a disregard for the original context of Old Testament prophecy as they also do for the Book of Revelation.)

Symbols of Revelation:

God uses symbols all throughout His Word, but they always... refer to something that is literal. The Book of Revelation is just another example of that, similar to the Old Testament Books of God's prophets. Thus the underlying structure of the Book of Revelation is not really symbolic as some claim.

The Revelation 19 chapter declares the 2nd coming of Lord Jesus to fight the armies on earth, and overcome them. Then with the Revelation 20 chapter, saints of the future 'resurrection' are shown in connection with a "thousand years" period reign by Jesus and them. There is no other doctrine that fits that section of events other than the Premillennial view, which means the millennium "thousand years" starting right after Christ's 2nd coming and the future resurrection of John 5:28-29. It solidly presents a Premillennial timing for Christ's 2nd coming and a literal "thousand years" period that follows.

Once Again, Please respond to the OP relating to God's fire in final judgment at his return (The End)

SetFree · May 19, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
Once Again, Please respond to the OP relating to God's fire in final judgment at his return (The End)

I have responded, with all those 15 points I posted. I can keep going too with more Biblical proof against the Amill doctrines from men. Those points are my rebuttal. I'm not in the mood to play games with just what you post for your doctrinal views.

My posts reveal errors of Amill thinking with how it disagrees literally with the written Bible Scripture, and the popularity of the doctrine has nothing to do with that. The pre-trib rapture theory is very popular also, but is blatantly false according to the written Bible Scripture (Matthew 24:29-31).

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2025

SetFree said:
I have responded, with all those 15 points I posted. I can keep going too with more Biblical proof against the Amill doctrines from men. Those points are my rebuttal. I'm not in the mood to play games with just what you post for your doctrinal views.

My posts reveal errors of Amill thinking with how it disagrees literally with the written Bible Scripture, and the popularity of the doctrine has nothing to do with that. The pre-trib rapture theory is very popular also, but is blatantly false according to the written Bible Scripture (Matthew 24:29-31).

1.) Does Jesus Return To Earth In Fire As Seen Below?

2.) Does It Appear That Motral Humans On This Earth Will Survive The Fire Seen Below?

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shaall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

SetFree · May 19, 2025

16. Amillennialism believes that Satan was 'bound' at the time of Christ's crucifixion. They cite Scripture like Matthew 12:28-29 which is a type of parable, John 12:31, Col.2:15; Hebrews 2:14-15, and 1 John 3:8. Each one of their opinions on that have flaws.

The Amill premise is that by Lord Jesus' death and resurrection, He defeated the devil and the devil's powers, and all things in heaven and on earth, even death which the devil had been given power over. In the SPIRIT VIEW Jesus did... accomplish that on His cross, but not in the LITERAL PHYSICAL VIEW, because people in the flesh today are still being attacked by Satan and his host, and they are still suffering literal death. Nor is Christ at present literally ruling over all nations, which is a requirement of His physical Kingdom. That's because Christ's physical Kingdom has not come yet today on earth, and will not until His future physical return to this earth at His future 2nd coming, as written.

These Scriptures are used by Amillennialism to try and justify their theory that Satan was bound at Christ's cross:

Matt 12:24-29
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."

25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
KJV

The key to what Lord Jesus said above is that He cast out devils "by the Spirit of God" as a proof that the kingdom had come unto them. Yet that is about His kingdom by The Holy Spirit, not His future physical Kingdom that will only happen at Jesus' future 2nd coming.

This distinction should be easy for any believer on Jesus Christ to realize, because Satan and his workers are still... at work on this earth today, causing chaos and evil, and even destroying Christians and Christian Churches in some countries! So who in their right mind could say the evil in the world today represents Christ's Victory and reign over this world at present? This is why Apostle Peter said what he did about this present time, even after the time of Christ's death and resurrection...

1 Peter 5:8
8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
KJV

Did Apostle Peter miss something about Christ's Victory on His cross? Didn't Peter know that Jesus defeated the devil already then? Why would Peter then say the devil is still... walking about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour? And you do realize brethren, that is a warning... to us, Christ's Church, even to this present day and time. That is strong proof that Satan is NOT yet bound in his pit prison so as to not be able to deceive the nations, which is the requirement for Satan being 'bound' (Rev.20:1-3).

John 12:31
31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
KJV

Amillennialists also try to use the above verse as proof that Satan was bound at Christ's crucifixion.

Just 'when'... Lord Jesus meant for that event of this world being judged, and Satan (that "prince") being cast out of heaven, depends upon other related Bible Scripture. To treat the above verse in 'isolation' by itself, and then apply whatever doctrine to it that one desires, certainly is a very misleading method of interpreting Bible Scripture.

Jesus stated the above John 12:31 verse just prior to His being delivered up to be crucified. But He also made other related statements while speaking with His disciples at that point, which directly related to that above John 12:31 verse...

John 14:30
30 Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me.
KJV

In that above John 14:30 verse, Jesus revealed that the devil is coming. Could that be what He was referring to in John 12:31 about Satan being "cast out"? YES! definitely! Jesus showed us in His Revelation about that future event when Satan and his angels are cast OUT OF HEAVEN, DOWN TO THIS EARTH, AT THE END OF THIS WORLD...

Rev 12:7-12
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Regardless that some claim this already happened, it has not yet happened today. The later verses here will prove it.

That above phrase in red is very, very important to understand. Satan and his angels are actually in the angelic form, meaning they exist in the heavenly dimension without a flesh body. And per God's Word, angels can... appear here on earth without the need for a flesh body (Hebrews 13).

Furthermore, per God's Word, there are only 2 different dimensions of existence, this earthly dimension we dwell in, and the heavenly dimension where God and the angels dwell, including Satan, his angels, and the abode of the wicked called hell (or hades). Therefore IF... Satan and his angels are CAST OUT of the heavenly dimension, then where MUST they go?? That's right, into OUR earthly dimension, right here ON EARTH, in plain sight.

Like Lord Jesus thus said, "the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in Me," and, "... now shall the prince of this world be cast out."

And here it is, what Lord Jesus was pointing to with Satan being CAST OUT...

Rev.12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The above reveals that even still to this day, Satan is still allowed in the heavenly, and can appear before God's Throne and accuse us to God. But once Satan is CAST OUT of the heavenly, he can no more do that, and truly when his casting out happens, then in... the heavenly, will God's Salvation through Son actually come THERE IN HEAVEN.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Do you know what event the above is about, those who overcome Satan by The Blood of The Lamb Jesus Christ? That's about the martyrs of the 5th SEAL of Revelation 6. Saints in heaven that were beheaded ask The LORD how long before their blood is avenged on earth, and they are told to wait a little season until their fellowservants are also killed as they were. That is a future "great tribulation" event when those fellowservants will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Jesus, and thus killed by the coming "beast".

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
KJV

That "short time" is about the future time of "great tribulation" that is to occur at the very end of this world, just prior to Christ's future 2nd coming.

Continued...

SetFree · May 19, 2025

Continued...

What about that idea of "judgment of this world" that Lord Jesus said in the John 12:31 verse?

John 16:10-11
10 Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and ye see Me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
KJV

Do you know the difference between those two judgment ideas, one for Satan himself, and the other for this world?

Per Matthew 25:41, Jesus said the "everlasting fire" has already been prepared for the devil and his angels. In Isaiah 30:33 this is also shown with the idea of Tophet, a place of perpetual burning garbage outside Jerusalem which Jesus used to represent the future "lake of fire" destruction. This means the devil and his angels have ALREADY BEEN JUDGED AND SENTENCED TO PERISH, even of old when that judgment was dished out to him.

So why would Lord Jesus mention that old judgment of Satan's future perishing, just prior to His being delivered up to be crucified? It was because that is specifically what Lord Jesus was born in the flesh to come to do, to die on the cross IN ORDER TO DEFEAT THE DEVIL (Hebrews 2:14; 1 John 3:8).

The idea is that even though Satan and his angels were already judged and sentenced long, long ago, Christ's death on the cross would 'seal' it, i.e., confirm it, set it in stone, so to speak. And that's how Lord Jesus meant that, "... because the prince of this world is judged." All the time Satan spent trying to actually end the family seed that Christ would be born through, and even with trying to kill Baby Jesus, it was all for naught. Christ's death and resurrection officially sealed... Satan's judgment to perdition.

THE ACTUALL FULFILLMENT TIME:

There is NO Scripture evidence that shows Satan and his angels have already perished today, in the "lake of fire". That event is still... future to us even. They are judged, but not yet perished in the "lake of fire".

1 John 3:8
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.
KJV

Amills also like to try and use that above verse to prove that Satan is already bound in his pit prison today. Question: do you really... think that in today's present world, "the works of the devil" have already been destroyed??

As much as Amillennialists don't like to refer to the Revelation 20 Chapter, that Chapter still is the main detail GUIDELINE for Satan being BOUND. They MUST use it, whether they like to refer to it or not...

Rev 20:1-3
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
KJV

That point, "that he should deceive the nations no more" once Satan is BOUND, is a very important REQUIREMENT that reveals whether he is actually 'bound' or not today. Look at today's world, and try to tell me Satan is NOT still deceiving nations today. One would have to have their head buried in the sand, so to speak, to not realize this point.

JUDGMENT OF THIS WORLD:

What about that "judgment of this world" idea by Christ in John 12:31? You tell me; just who today... has already been judged to perish at the future "lake of fire"? And whether one believes the Amillennialist doctrine or the Premillennial doctrine, both recognize that "lake of fire" event won't happen until after Christ's future 2nd coming.

So tell me someone, WHO today has ALREADY BEEN JUDGED AND SENTENCED TO PERISH in the future "lake of fire"? I'll give you a hint -- before any flesh-born person can be judged to perish, they must first appear before the Judgment Seat of Jesus Christ...

2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
KJV

That leaves only the devil and his angels so far today that have already been judged and sentenced to perish, doesn't it? Yes, that's right. Not even Judas Iscariot who betrayed our Lord Jesus has been judged to perish yet, and Jesus called Judas by the name "son of perdition"! (Yet Apostle Paul called the "man of sin" by that "son of perdition" title later after Judas had been dead, so that title really belongs to the devil, for he already has been judged and sentenced to perdition.)

All this means... that the "judgment of this world" has NOT... actually come yet today. When will it come then? At the time of Christ's future 2nd coming. Let's go to John 16 and see more of what Lord Jesus was actually saying...

John 16:7-11
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you.
8 And when He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on Me;

10 Of righteousness, because I go to My Father, and ye see Me no more;

11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
KJV

The "Comforter" is another Title for The Holy Spirit. So that would mean in verse 8, The Holy Spirit is Who "will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment." In what sense did Lord Jesus mean that? He was not pointing to a time of literal destruction of the wicked with that, not yet. He was showing how His kingdom of The Spirit would come at His death and resurrection, and thus convict... the world for FUTURE JUDGMENT on the day of His future 2nd coming. Therefore, that is NOT a sign that this present world has already been judged, not yet. Nor is it a sign that Satan has already been 'bound'.

SetFree · May 19, 2025

What are man's Amillennial doctrines actually pointing to, what ultimate aim does it actually have?

Preterism -- do you know what that doctrine is brethren? The root word for Preterism comes from the word 'preter', which means 'what is past'. Preterism is a doctrine that came out of certain Christian seminaries that treats the end time signs that Lord Jesus gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation as almost all completed, except for Christ's future return. That idea is also called Partial-Preterism, because of accepting the Biblical fact of Lord Jesus' future bodily return. But the most corrupt version is called Full-Preterism, and it believes that Christ's 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles.

Preterism also believes that Christ's full Kingdom has already come on earth at the time of His cross. One can discover many of the doctrines of Preterism within the theories of Amillenialism, just because of the fallacy of thinking that Christ's full Kingdom is already manifest on earth today.

One can even see a little bit of Universalist doctrine in both Preterism and Amillennialism, which Universalism is about those who believe everyone... will eventually be saved by Lord Jesus, that it's just a matter of time before all will covert to Jesus Christ. But of course, God's written Word does not support those ideas.

By Amillennialism trying to claim that Christ's full Kingdom had come on earth at His death and resurrection, they are suggesting that Lord Jesus is now reigning over this present world, but from Heaven.

THE WORLD BEAST OF REVELATION AT THE END:

But what about the coming world "beast" kingdom "having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns" which Jesus showed Apostle John in His Revelation that is to come at the very end of this world?

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

Lord Jesus by His Book of Revelation revealed that world "beast" kingdom is to be setup in the generation that will see His future return. This is also shown in Daniel 2:34-35 and Daniel 2:44. Daniel 7 also gives us quite a bit of info about Christ's future Kingdom that is still expecting today...

Dan 7:8-14
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Those above events in red reveal first the existence of the ten horns (ten kings) beast kingdom of Revelation 13 and 17. Both here in Daniel 7 and in Revelation 17 declare that "little horn", another horn other than the ten horns, coming up among them. That "little horn" represents the beast king role, the coming Antichrist at the end of this world.

Then the above 9-10 verses reveal those thrones of the horns being cast down, and The Ancient of Days then sitting and their being slain, and then the Judgment (Great White Throne Judgment of Rev.20).

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought Him near before Him.

That is one of the several Old Testament verses where both The Father and Lord Jesus are pointed to in the same Presence with each Other.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

That 14th verse is declaring Christ's STILL FUTURE PHYSICAL KINGDOM TO COME. Only then... will ALL people, nations, and languages serve Him, at His future 2nd coming. Christ's future 2nd coming is what ends... that ten horn beast kingdom that will be manifest in the generation that will see... Christ's future 2nd coming back to this earth. And notice I really had no need to refer to the Book of Revelation with how that ten horns kingdom will exist first on earth in the days of Christ's future 2nd coming. The Book of Daniel points directly to it about the end of this world, and even defines... the type of reign by Lord Jesus after His future return. And it don't match today's kingdom that Amillennialism and Preterism tries to establish in the minds of our Lord Jesus' servants, for Lord Jesus certainly is NOT YET reigning over all peoples, nations, and languages yet today.

WHY WOULD AMILLENNIALISM AND PRETERISM WANT US TO BELIEVE TODAY IS CHRIST'S FULL KINGDOM ALREADY ON EARTH?

Brethren in Christ, do you not see a major conflict with those ideas from the Amill and Preterist doctrines about the end of this world just prior to Lord Jesus' future return? I just revealed that in the days of Christ's future return, there will first be a world beast kingdom setup on earth, and it will be over ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES ON EARTH, for a period of 42 months, and the whole world will worship the "dragon" during that period (Revelation 13:4-8). Only Christ's elect will reject it.

How do Amills and Preterists then treat... that coming world beast kingdom by the "dragon", which is to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, over ALL peoples and nations? And per Revelation 12:9 we know who that "dragon" is. It is simply another title for Satan himself, as written there. So no one can claim the stupidity that that beast kingdom of Revelation 13 will be Christ's Kingdom on earth! Or can they??? Do you not see the Amillennial and Preterist deception brethren?

In one political document written by Satan's workers, leaked a few centuries ago, it showed they intend to create a "one world government" over all the earth, over all peoples. Even in my era I have heard U.S. Presidents use the term "New World Order" for it. So when Amillennialists and Preterists ought to be heeding Christ's warnings He gave His Church for the end regarding this coming one-world beast in our last days, they instead are playing like Christ has already returned, and thus are guaranteed to be deceived by the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah that Jesus His Apostles said would come first at the end of this world. Beware brethren.

Lamb · May 19, 2025

Scripture states that we are living in the last days now (since Jesus ascended):

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Acts 2:16-17
No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

1 Peter 1:20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

1 Corinthians 10:11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

BruceLeiter · May 19, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shaall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

@Truth7t7, I agree; you laid it out well.

Truth7t7 · May 19, 2025

SetFree said:
What are man's Amillennial doctrines actually pointing to, what ultimate aim does it actually have?

Preterism -- do you know what that doctrine is brethren? The root word for Preterism comes from the word 'preter', which means 'what is past'. Preterism is a doctrine that came out of certain Christian seminaries that treats the end time signs that Lord Jesus gave His Church in His Olivet discourse, and in His Book of Revelation as almost all completed, except for Christ's future return. That idea is also called Partial-Preterism, because of accepting the Biblical fact of Lord Jesus' future bodily return. But the most corrupt version is called Full-Preterism, and it believes that Christ's 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles.

Preterism also believes that Christ's full Kingdom has already come on earth at the time of His cross. One can discover many of the doctrines of Preterism within the theories of Amillenialism, just because of the fallacy of thinking that Christ's full Kingdom is already manifest on earth today.

One can even see a little bit of Universalist doctrine in both Preterism and Amillennialism, which Universalism is about those who believe everyone... will eventually be saved by Lord Jesus, that it's just a matter of time before all will covert to Jesus Christ. But of course, God's written Word does not support those ideas.

By Amillennialism trying to claim that Christ's full Kingdom had come on earth at His death and resurrection, they are suggesting that Lord Jesus is now reigning over this present world, but from Heaven.

THE WORLD BEAST OF REVELATION AT THE END:

But what about the coming world "beast" kingdom "having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns" which Jesus showed Apostle John in His Revelation that is to come at the very end of this world?

Rev 13:1
13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
KJV

Lord Jesus by His Book of Revelation revealed that world "beast" kingdom is to be setup in the generation that will see His future return. This is also shown in Daniel 2:34-35 and Daniel 2:44. Daniel 7 also gives us quite a bit of info about Christ's future Kingdom that is still expecting today...

Dan 7:8-14
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Those above events in red reveal first the existence of the ten horns (ten kings) beast kingdom of Revelation 13 and 17. Both here in Daniel 7 and in Revelation 17 declare that "little horn", another horn other than the ten horns, coming up among them. That "little horn" represents the beast king role, the coming Antichrist at the end of this world.

Then the above 9-10 verses reveal those thrones of the horns being cast down, and The Ancient of Days then sitting and their being slain, and then the Judgment (Great White Throne Judgment of Rev.20).

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought Him near before Him.

That is one of the several Old Testament verses where both The Father and Lord Jesus are pointed to in the same Presence with each Other.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

That 14th verse is declaring Christ's STILL FUTURE PHYSICAL KINGDOM TO COME. Only then... will ALL people, nations, and languages serve Him, at His future 2nd coming. Christ's future 2nd coming is what ends... that ten horn beast kingdom that will be manifest in the generation that will see... Christ's future 2nd coming back to this earth. And notice I really had no need to refer to the Book of Revelation with how that ten horns kingdom will exist first on earth in the days of Christ's future 2nd coming. The Book of Daniel points directly to it about the end of this world, and even defines... the type of reign by Lord Jesus after His future return. And it don't match today's kingdom that Amillennialism and Preterism tries to establish in the minds of our Lord Jesus' servants, for Lord Jesus certainly is NOT YET reigning over all peoples, nations, and languages yet today.

WHY WOULD AMILLENNIALISM AND PRETERISM WANT US TO BELIEVE TODAY IS CHRIST'S FULL KINGDOM ALREADY ON EARTH?

Brethren in Christ, do you not see a major conflict with those ideas from the Amill and Preterist doctrines about the end of this world just prior to Lord Jesus' future return? I just revealed that in the days of Christ's future return, there will first be a world beast kingdom setup on earth, and it will be over ALL NATIONS AND PEOPLES ON EARTH, for a period of 42 months, and the whole world will worship the "dragon" during that period (Revelation 13:4-8). Only Christ's elect will reject it.

How do Amills and Preterists then treat... that coming world beast kingdom by the "dragon", which is to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, over ALL peoples and nations? And per Revelation 12:9 we know who that "dragon" is. It is simply another title for Satan himself, as written there. So no one can claim the stupidity that that beast kingdom of Revelation 13 will be Christ's Kingdom on earth! Or can they??? Do you not see the Amillennial and Preterist deception brethren?

In one political document written by Satan's workers, leaked a few centuries ago, it showed they intend to create a "one world government" over all the earth, over all peoples. Even in my era I have heard U.S. Presidents use the term "New World Order" for it. So when Amillennialists and Preterists ought to be heeding Christ's warnings He gave His Church for the end regarding this coming one-world beast in our last days, they instead are playing like Christ has already returned, and thus are guaranteed to be deceived by the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah that Jesus His Apostles said would come first at the end of this world. Beware brethren.

1.) Does Jesus Return To Earth In Fire As Seen In The OP?

2.) Does It Appear That Motral Humans On This Earth Will Survive The Fire Seen In The OP?

BruceLeiter · May 26, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
1.) Does Jesus Return To Earth In Fire As Seen In The OP?

2.) Does It Appear That Motral Humans On This Earth Will Survive The Fire Seen In The OP?

I don't understand your questions, specifically, what "OP" means and who "Motral Humans" are. Forgive my ignorance, @Truth7t7.

Psalm110 · Jun 9, 2025

@SetFree

Not all Amill believers are Preterists. I believe that we are currently in tribulations yes, but yet that we are waiting for "The Tribulation". Just as John states in Revelation 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

I have a few questions for you regarding your beliefs.

#1. What do you view the abyss as? Have you ever done a word study to find out what the abyss is? Or do you use Greek literature to define it?

#2. How do you see that the Millennium is on earth?
Revelation 20:4-5 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

When I read these passages, I see two things that always stick out to me.
•John sees souls... that were beheaded. Christians have been beheaded for centuries at this point. Do you not believe they are made priests and kings now in the third heaven?
•The statement that follows is that the rest of the dead lived not until the 1000 years was complete.

#3 In Matthew 25 31-32 Jesus states that all nations will be gathered before him to be separated into sheep and goats.
Jesus also states this judgment is on the last day, as is the resurrection.
John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
How do you correlate this in your pre-mill structure? Since it clearly shows this resurrection and judgment at the end of the Millennium?

#4. Why is it stated in Corinthians 15:50-53 that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God at the Rapture if the kingdom is only 1000 years and not truly incorruptible?

#5. If the resurrection happens at the return of Christ, before the Millennium and death is the last enemy that must be destroyed. As stated in 1 Corinthians 15:26. How do you account for all the death at the end of the Millennium? Not simply death, but also the second death.
How could it be stated that death is swallowed up in victory in 1 Corinthians 15:54?

Marston · Jun 9, 2025

Truth7t7 said:
There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shaall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

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