Jesus and Little John.

[Soulx3]

In 1943, Maria Valtorta began taking dictation from Jesus and other heavenly persons, as well as receiving scenes, or visions from the four Gospels of Christ. At Jesus’ request, she wrote everything she saw and heard, filling 122 notebooks totaling thousands of pages. Maria received most of the revelations before 1947, but they continued until 1953. The writings were later published: The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I–V (a Work on the Life of Jesus), The Notebooks: 1943, The Notebooks: 1944, The Notebooks: 1945-1950, The Little Notebooks, The Lessons of St. Paul to the Romans, and The Book of Azariah.

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A written statement by Maria Valtorta:

"Today: 2 July, 1948 (as ordered by Jesus)
I, Maria Valtorta, declare that what I have written and described corresponds exactly to what I have seen and heard, whether I have written under dictation or during some private lessons (private lessons are those which outside the Pre-Gospel - Gospel - Post-Gospel) where I have written a few hours after the lesson because I couldn't do so at the time, either because I was exhausted or because of the presence of outsiders. In this case I am always helped by our Lord Jesus Christ, by the Most Holy Mary, or the Holy Spirit who support my weak memory by repeating or suggesting what I have to say depending on whether they are words I hear or contemplative visions I saw.

If I feel help from my Most Holy Helpers is missing, I don't even try to write or describe anything. I wait for them to come before doing it, because I understand that I would not know how to give words and descriptions that correspond perfectly to what I had seen and heard. This is because of my inability to describe supernatural visions or repeat the sublime lessons of Wisdom and the Bride and Mother of Wisdom.

Therefore, you can be certain that what I have put in the notebooks is the exact truth.

Even in the corrections to the typescripts I have our Lord Jesus Christ's help for the Gospel and that of the Holy Spirit for the other lessons (the angelic hosts, the Pauline Epistles or other biblical lessons).

While I thank God and Mary for their help by grateful adoration, I also declare that what I have come to know supernaturally and put down on paper about the Life of Mary and Her Divine Son, about the Unity and Trinity of God, the Immaculate Conception of Mary and Her Virginal Motherhood through the action of the Holy Spirit, and Her eternal virginity, Her Holy Assumption, the Incarnation, Passion, Resurrection and Ascension of the Word, the Apostolic Church, the Sacraments, the Last Things. In short, what I know about everything that is an article of faith for a believing Catholic, I have received through supernatural means. Not by myself but through Grace and universal blessing.

Because I have received it for everybody, I give what I have received, without keeping anything for myself. I give it to the Order which Jesus Christ has chosen to be the guardian and administrator of this supernatural treasure of knowledge.

God's reason for this choice are only known completely by God and the Mother of God, who have listed them for me. However, I can only tell you a part.

Just as the divine Word, (newly infused and given to Humanity to strengthen it in the hour of semi-darkness, precursor of the hour of darkness which Humanity is going through), was first given to Israel through Mary and with the protection of Joseph, and then was given to the crowds through Mary - now it has been given through the Order of the Servants of Mary, to which little Maria, the Spokesperson, belongs, and with the protection of the Order, which in this case is the servant of the Word like Joseph, and like Joseph its guardian. It is the divine will that the Order of Mary has the same sensitivity as the Most Holy Mary and St. Joseph, the perfect servants of God." (The Little Notebooks)

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In the following dictations by Jesus, He gives some of the purposes for The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V (a Work on the Life of Jesus), which is the Gospel expanded:

"The order of the Gospels is good, but not perfect as a chronological order. A diligent observer notices that. He who could have given the exact order of events, having been with Me from the beginning of the Evangelization to My Ascension, did not do so, because John, a true son of the Light, devoted himself to and worried about making the Light shine brightly through its appearance of a Body in the eyes of the heretics, who contested the truth of the Divinity enclosed in a human body. John's sublime Gospel achieved its supernatural purpose, but the chronology of My public life has not been improved by it. The other three evangelists show resemblances to one another with regard to events, but they alter their order with regard to time, because only one of the three was present at almost all My public life: Matthew, and he wrote it only fifteen years later, whilst the others wrote theirs even later, after hearing the story from My Mother, from Peter, from other apostles and disciples. I want to give you a guide to collect together the events of the three years, year by year." (September 23rd, 1944, The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. IV)

"There are four Gospels. Now I am explaining them in order to bring to light others which are lost or downplayed. But I am not creating another Gospel. There are four, four there will remain. Understood in detail or left in their broad outlines, four and no more." (October 17th, 1944, The Little Notebooks)

"The [seven] reasons that have induced Me to enlighten and dictate episodes and words of Mine to Little John [Jesus's nickname for Maria Valtorta] are, in addition to the joy of communicating an exact knowledge of Me to this loving victim-soul, manifold. But the moving spirit of all of them is My love for the Church, both teaching and militant, and My desire to help souls in their ascent towards perfection. The knowledge of Me helps to ascend. My Word is Life. (April 28th, 1947, The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. V)

"The canonical Gospel is essential for believing and for saving oneself; but it is not a complete knowledge of Me." (May 8th, 1948, The Little Notebooks)

"I was already sufficiently described in the Gospels, the minimum necessary for the salvation of hearts. Mary was little known. Just an incomplete outline which left too much of Her in shadow. So now, I have revealed Her to you. I have given you this perfect story of my Mother." (February 22nd, 1949, The Little Notebooks)​

 

[Soulx3]

For many reasons, I believe wholeheartedly that Maria Valtorta was a spokesperson for Jesus, further validated by the experts who've read and studied her and her writings in-depth. Below are just a few of those studies:
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(I) The results from the mathematical analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

In conclusion, what do these findings mean? That Maria Valtorta is such a good writer to be able to modulate the linguistic parameters in so many different ways and as a function of character of the plot and type of literary text, so as to cover almost the entire range of the Italian literature? Or that visions and dictations really occurred and she was only a mystical, very intelligent and talented “writing tool”? Of course, no answer grounded in science can be given to the latter question.

(II) The results from the astronomical and meteorological analysis of Maria Valtorta's Work by Professor Emilio Matricciani and Dr. Liberato De Caro, where they concluded:

“It seems that she has written down observations and facts that really happened at the time of Jesus’ life, as a real witness of them would have done. The question arises, unsolved from a point of view exclusively rational, how all this is possible because what Maria Valtorta writes down cannot, in any way, be traced back to her fantasy or to her astronomical and meteorological knowledge. In conclusion, if from one hand the scientific inquire has evidenced all the surprising and unexpected results reported and discussed in this paper, on the other hand our actual scientific knowledge cannot readily explain how these results are possible.”

(III) In David Webster, M.Div.'s chapter "Proof by Geography and Topography and Archaeology" of A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, he relates:

“An additional line of incontrovertible evidence (which Valtorta was encouraged by Jesus to include for the benefit of “the difficult doctors” of the Church) deals with the vast amount of geographical, climatic, agricultural, historical, astronomical, and cartographical information given in her work. Authorities in these fields have verified the accuracy of what she has reported with appropriate astonishment. Valtorta accurately identifies this agricultural and climatic information that is often unique to Palestine with the appropriate calendar period which she often specifically identifies. Without any evidence of planning and with hardly any corrections, Valtorta ends up with a perfectly flowing 3½ year story line with Jesus appropriately in Jerusalem and Judea for Passover and Pentecost in all four spring seasons, and at the Tabernacles in all three fall seasons of His ministry. Valtorta shows Jesus to have traversed the land of Palestine from one end to another in at least six cycles (some 4,000 miles), ministering in some 350 named locations, including places in Palestine known only to specialized archaeologists. Not once, however, does she have Jesus (or any one of the other 500 characters) in a place inconsistent with either the story line or distance or timing necessities.”

(IV) In professional engineer Jean-François Lavère's The Valtorta Enigma, he writes:

“The work [The Poem of the Man-God] overflows with exact data from the viewpoint of history, topography, architecture, geography, ethnology, chronology, etc. Furthermore, Maria Valtorta often provides precise details known only by some scholars, and in certain cases, she even records details totally unknown at the time she recorded them, and which archeology, history, or science have later confirmed.”

Maria Valtorta, through a great ordeal of physical and spiritual suffering, persevered in faith, hope, and love, serving Jesus as His spokesperson. I hope you examine her writings for yourself (1 Thess. 5:21), and may you recognize that they are gifts of knowledge given to you and all souls out of love by Love Himself.​

 

[Lamb]

Didn't you already post this in another thread?

 

[Lamb]

I've been informed that the books you're quoting from are copyrighted. To protect our site, please do not post so many quotes from the books, or we'll have to restrict your account to protect our from lawsuits.

 

[tango]

Didn't you already post this in another thread?

You can never repeat the words of the profits prophets too many times, it would appear.

 

[Soulx3]

I've been informed that the books you're quoting from are copyrighted. To protect our site, please do not post so many quotes from the books, or we'll have to restrict your account to protect our from lawsuits.

One isn't prohibited from quoting from copyrighted material they way I am. If a person wants to use, copy, or change a copyrighted work in their own work, then they need permission from the person who holds the copyright. This permission is called a license.

Therefore, this appears to be a poor attempt at censorship on your part.

 

[Lamb]

One isn't prohibited from quoting from copyrighted material they way I am. If a person wants to use, copy, or change a copyrighted work in their own work, then they need permission from the person who holds the copyright. This permission is called a license.

Therefore, this appears to be a poor attempt at censorship on your part.

A mere quote here and there is fine. Quoting as much as you do is not, and you should respect the wishes of how the owner and staff have set up the rules for this site.

 

[Soulx3]

A mere quote here and there is fine. Quoting as much as you do is not, and you should respect the wishes of how the owner and staff have set up the rules for this site.

What rule am I allegedly not respecting by quoting from books?

 

[Lamb]

What rule am I allegedly not respecting by quoting from books?

I'm telling you that this is how we operate concerning copyrights and it's not just what you've copied/pasted, we tell it to others as well. So, please respect it.

 

[Soulx3]

I'm telling you that this is how we operate concerning copyrights and it's not just what you've copied/pasted, we tell it to others as well. So, please respect it.

Firstly, again, I, nor anyone else, are in violation by quoting from copyrighted material the way I am, and thus there's no fear of receiving any "lawsuits" on this forum as you claim. If a person wants to use, copy, or change a copyrighted work in their own work, then they need permission from the person who holds the copyright. This permission is called a license.

Secondly, the following are this forum's list of rules:

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I haven't disrespected any of those.

 

[tango]

Seriously, on pretty much any site, if a site administrator tells you to knock it off then it's a good idea to, you know, knock it off. If you don't obey reasonable instructions it's a good way to get yourself banned.

If you really want to post large exerpts you can always post a link.

 

[Soulx3]

Seriously, on pretty much any site, if a site administrator tells you to knock it off then it's a good idea to, you know, knock it off. If you don't obey reasonable instructions it's a good way to get yourself banned.

If you really want to post large exerpts you can always post a link.

Lamb claiming that quoting from copyrighted material risks lawsuits is false, and telling me to stop doing that is unreasonable, because it's not copyright infringement which involves using, copying, or changing the copyrighted work in another work without a license.

 

[Lamb]

Lamb claiming that quoting from copyrighted material risks lawsuits is false, and telling me to stop doing that is unreasonable, because it's not copyright infringement which involves using, copying, or changing the copyrighted work in another work without a license.

You haven't properly stated what I told you concerning quotes.

This is the last time I'll address it in this thread. From now on, if you want to discuss things with the owner, since you won't listen to me, then create a thread in the Member Admin Center.

You are free to quote things, but there is a limit for fair use. Too much quoting from a copyrighted book is what we're asking our members NOT to do. Please respect our request.

 

[Stephen]

According to Catholic Answers, Maria Valtorta "has shown herself to be an unreliable author on Catholic matters. Her multi-volume work, The Poem of the Man-God , has been discredited by the Holy See on more than one occasion..."
Steer Clear of Maria Valtorta's "The Book of Azariah"


And from EWTN "Maria Valtorta's multi-volume life of Jesus flirts with heresy and exhibits bad taste. Its claim to authenticity have been rejected by Rome."
Is 'The Poem Of the Man-God' Simply a Bad Novel? | EWTN

 

[Stephen]

Having looked up her books I don't see an Imprimatur or a Nihil obstat - not surprising if they have been condemned by the Vatican.

This also debunks her- the messages of Maria Valtorta and her Poem of the Man-God: True or False?

 

[Lucian Hodoboc]

Seriously, on pretty much any site, if a site administrator tells you to knock it off then it's a good idea to, you know, knock it off. If you don't obey reasonable instructions it's a good way to get yourself banned.

If you really want to post large exerpts you can always post a link.

Imagine if that's how things worked in society.

"So, what laws did I break, Your Honor?"
"Well, technically, there are no laws that address your behavior, but I don't like it, so you better knock it off cause I tell you so, or else I'm gonna put you in jail."

 

[Soulx3]

You haven't properly stated what I told you concerning quotes.

This is the last time I'll address it in this thread. From now on, if you want to discuss things with the owner, since you won't listen to me, then create a thread in the Member Admin Center.

You are free to quote things, but there is a limit for fair use. Too much quoting from a copyrighted book is what we're asking our members NOT to do. Please respect our request.

You said, "I've been informed that the books you're quoting from are copyrighted. To protect our site, please do not post so many quotes from the books, or we'll have to restrict your account to protect our from lawsuits."

As I said, quoting from copyrighted material, no matter how much, doesn't risks lawsuits, because it's not copyright infringement which involves using, copying, or changing the copyrighted work in another work without a license.

 

[Soulx3]

According to Catholic Answers, Maria Valtorta "has shown herself to be an unreliable author on Catholic matters. Her multi-volume work, The Poem of the Man-God , has been discredited by the Holy See on more than one occasion..."
Steer Clear of Maria Valtorta's "The Book of Azariah"

If you had bothered to fact check, you would've found this:

Juridic Import of Subsequent Letters from Prelates
In the decades following the Index’s abrogation Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and Bishop Dionigi Tettamanzi wrote letters recalling that Valtorta’s work had been placed on the Index and reiterating the Index’s enduring moral value. Other prelates wrote letters in support of the work. We will now briefly examine the juridic import of these documents.

Letters of Ratzinger
Since the abrogation of the Index the CDF has never issued a notification or decree with regard to Valtorta’s writings. However, on January 31, 1985, Cardinal Ratzinger wrote a private letter to Cardinal Siri on the subject.10 A priest from Cardinal Siri’s diocese had written the CDF asking the position of the Church’s Magisterium with regard to the Poem. Ratzinger responded by writing Siri, whom he invited to share the contents of the letter with the priest concerned. The brief letter recalled the Holy Office’s decree of December 16, 1959, the anonymous article printed in L’Osservatore Romano in 1960, and the CDF’s 1966 Notification on the enduring moral value of the Index. As was seen supra the Notification clarified that the decree of 1959 no longer has any juridic value and that the enduring moral value of the Index lies in it providing input to the conscience of each Catholic, who then has the role of discerning and deciding whether or not to read a work that had been on the Index.

Ratzinger then adds something new: that “the diffusion and recommendation of [a work such as the Poem] is not held to be opportune when its condemnation was not taken superficially, but after weighing its purposes, to the end of neutralizing the damages which such a publication could bring to the more unprepared faithful.” This statement was not made in the form of a juridic act of the CDF—such as a decree or notification (nor therefore, a fortiori, could it be considered to be an authentic interpretation of the law. As a result this affirmation in the letter has no juridic weight.

On May 21, 1993 Bishop Raymond Boland of Birmingham Alabama, in a letter to Terry Colafrancesco, asserted that Cardinal Ratzinger had written to him on April 17, 1993 and had “asked me to inform you about the position of the Church” regarding the Poem. Boland asserted that the Cardinal wished to recall the items previously published in L’Osservatore Romano (presumably the decree of December 16, 1959, the accompanying anonymous article, and the Notification of November 15, 1966). He also asserted that the CDF had asked the Italian Bishops Conference to request of the publisher of the Poem that in any future edition “it might be clearly indicated from the very first page that the ‘visions’ and ‘dictations’ referred to in it are simply the literary forms used by the author to narrate in her own way the life of Jesus. They cannot be considered supernatural in origin.”

The April 17 letter of Ratzinger was never made public. Even if it were made public, and if its language matched exactly that reported by Boland, Ratzinger’s letter would not have any juridic weight as its content does not contain a judicial sentence or an act of legislative or executive authority. It would rather be a letter relaying that the CDF had communicated with the Italian Bishops Conference and that this Conference communicated with the publisher of the Poem. Those communications would then need to be analyzed to determine their own juridic weight.

Current Juridic and Moral Value of the Index for the Poem of the Man-God
What then is the current juridic and moral value of the Index for the Poem of the Man-God? The Index no longer has the force of ecclesiastical law; therefore when one chooses to read, publish, or promote the Poem there is no violation of ecclesiastical law. The various letters issued by prelates in the decades following the abrogation of the Index on the subject of the Poem are not (with the exception of the imprimatur granted by Bishop Pakiam), juridically binding. Hence a Catholic is permitted to think and act in ways different from the opinions expressed therein. For example, a Catholic who believes the Poem to be of supernatural origin or promotes it as such is not being disobedient to Bishop Tettamanzi’s letter, for the letter has no juridic weight."

Source:

https://www.valtorta.org.au/JCL-Thesis-on-the-Index-and-Valtorta.pdf

And from EWTN "Maria Valtorta's multi-volume life of Jesus flirts with heresy and exhibits bad taste. Its claim to authenticity have been rejected by Rome."
Is 'The Poem Of the Man-God' Simply a Bad Novel? | EWTN

That article is an opinion piece which contains falsehoods. If you had bothered to fact check the information, you would've found this: Response to Fr. Mitch Pacwa, Maria Valtora's Poem

 

[Lamb]

You said, "I've been informed that the books you're quoting from are copyrighted. To protect our site, please do not post so many quotes from the books, or we'll have to restrict your account to protect our from lawsuits."

As I said, quoting from copyrighted material, no matter how much, doesn't risks lawsuits, because it's not copyright infringement which involves using, copying, or changing the copyrighted work in another work without a license.

Because you've chosen to become so argumentative over this, I'm restricting your account to Moderator Queue, which means your posts will have to be approved before being shown to the public. I asked for respect, and you refused to do that, and could have easily begun a thread in Member Admin Center to discuss with the site owner.

 

[tango]

Imagine if that's how things worked in society.

"So, what laws did I break, Your Honor?"
"Well, technically, there are no laws that address your behavior, but I don't like it, so you better knock it off cause I tell you so, or else I'm gonna put you in jail."

... except this isn't a public society, it's a privately owned venue even if in a digital form.

But to roll with what you're saying, how about you go into a privately owned venue and start acting in a way the owner considers unreasonable. You're going to be asked to leave, right? Even if the owner can't point to a specific rule on the door that you're breaking, they consider you to be acting unreasonably and ask you to leave. It's one of the perks of being the owner I guess.