Roe v Wade Overturned

Do You Support the Overturning of Roe v Wade?

  • Yes

    Votes: 5 71.4%
  • No

    Votes: 2 28.6%

  • Total voters
    7

Josiah

simul justus et peccator
Valued Contributor
Joined
Jun 12, 2015
Messages
13,927
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Praise God!

No one was ever able to show where this "RIGHT" of just women to kill children is there in the Constitution .... so all this talk about "Constitutional Right" is just silly, it's a lie, the Constitution never gave that. It is the result of a narrow Supreme Court decision in 1973, it was those JUDGES who said this right exists, not the Constitution.

Now, this issue goes to the states - exactly as the Constitution verbatim STATES that it should (see the Bill of Rights Article 10). We have a Supreme Court now that actually gives a rip what the Constitution says: NOTHING about females having the right to kill anyone, what is not specificallfy stated in the Constitution belonging to the federal government goes to the states. Yup. The Rule of Law. The Supreme Court doing what it is chartered to do, what each of those judges swore they would do.


- Josiah



.
 

rstrats

Well-known member
Joined
May 30, 2018
Messages
236
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Atheist
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
No
A great day for the start of protection for precious little babies.
 

Lamb

God's Lil Lamb
Community Team
Administrator
Supporting Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Messages
32,649
Age
57
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
If you don't agree with what your state votes on, move to another state.

I'm very happy that this is being brought back to the states as it should have always been in the first place.
 

Lees

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2022
Messages
2,182
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Christian
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
It is an historic day, without doubt. And I am glad for it.

But, don't kid yourself. It is not over. Just because the Supreme Court decided, doesn't mean anything in a divided country such as ours.

What it means, is that we are getting closer to the inevitable war, civil war, that has to come.

For those who have an interest in history, compare this to the Dred Scott decision by the Supreme Court in 1857. For that is what I compare it to in it's place in history.

Lees
 

Lanman87

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 30, 2020
Messages
733
Age
55
Location
Bible Belt
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Non-Denominational
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
A historic day no doubt.

I hope we Christians start giving more money to crisis pregnancy centers and ministries that support young single mothers. Being pro-life doesn't just mean being anti-abortion. It means helping those in need, including those who are in need because of sexual sin/mistakes.
 

Lamb

God's Lil Lamb
Community Team
Administrator
Supporting Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Messages
32,649
Age
57
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
A historic day no doubt.

I hope we Christians start giving more money to crisis pregnancy centers and ministries that support young single mothers. Being pro-life doesn't just mean being anti-abortion. It means helping those in need, including those who are in need because of sexual sin/mistakes.

There are numerous ministries that will help women and the media has been neglect in reporting on them because they want women to feel as if no one cares.

I wanted to start a list here on the site somewhere for each state and maybe that's something I should actually do. It's important to spread the word that people DO care about pregnant women and their unborn.
 

Lanman87

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 30, 2020
Messages
733
Age
55
Location
Bible Belt
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Non-Denominational
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
There are numerous ministries that will help women and the media has been neglect in reporting on them because they want women to feel as if no one cares.

I wanted to start a list here on the site somewhere for each state and maybe that's something I should actually do. It's important to spread the word that people DO care about pregnant women and their unborn.
Agreed
 

Lees

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2022
Messages
2,182
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Christian
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
There are numerous ministries that will help women and the media has been neglect in reporting on them because they want women to feel as if no one cares.

I wanted to start a list here on the site somewhere for each state and maybe that's something I should actually do. It's important to spread the word that people DO care about pregnant women and their unborn.

None of this matters.

Yall live in a make believe world.

The politics of this doesn't give a r***a** about helping women and the unborn.

It's all about power.

And it's going to lead to another war between the states. A real civil war.

Lees
 

Lanman87

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 30, 2020
Messages
733
Age
55
Location
Bible Belt
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Non-Denominational
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
None of this matters.

Yall live in a make believe world.

The politics of this doesn't give a r***a** about helping women and the unborn.
I don't believe I live in a make believe world and I agree with you that this isn't about women and the unborn.

I've often said that if they really cared about women and the unborn then the price to adopt would be free and the price of abortion would be $30,000 instead of the other way around.

However, from a practical standpoint Christians need to double down on helping women who are in a crisis situation. Christianity and the gospel are above the politics of it all. Our job is to love God and Love others and bring glory to God, no matter how the politics play out.
 

Lamb

God's Lil Lamb
Community Team
Administrator
Supporting Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Messages
32,649
Age
57
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
None of this matters.

Yall live in a make believe world.

The politics of this doesn't give a r***a** about helping women and the unborn.

It's all about power.

And it's going to lead to another war between the states. A real civil war.

Lees

Please don't swear. Profanity is against our site rules and the censor catches it but we prefer members do not even try to bypass the filters.
 

Lees

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2022
Messages
2,182
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Christian
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
I don't believe I live in a make believe world and I agree with you that this isn't about women and the unborn.

I've often said that if they really cared about women and the unborn then the price to adopt would be free and the price of abortion would be $30,000 instead of the other way around.

However, from a practical standpoint Christians need to double down on helping women who are in a crisis situation. Christianity and the gospel are above the politics of it all. Our job is to love God and Love others and bring glory to God, no matter how the politics play out.

Oh, really. So a pregnant woman comes to you and says she doesn't want your 'sympathy'. She doesn't want your kindness in her crisis situation. She wants an aboriton.

How does your 'love to others' and 'glory to God' reflect then?

Do you bow down and say 'God bless'? Is that you're 'doubling down'?

See? You live in a make believe world.

Lees
 

Lees

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2022
Messages
2,182
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Christian
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Please don't swear. Profanity is against our site rules and the censor catches it but we prefer members do not even try to bypass the filters.

Well, I personally never considered that as swearing. I was trying to be discreet. I will be more careful in the future.

Lees
 

Lanman87

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 30, 2020
Messages
733
Age
55
Location
Bible Belt
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Non-Denominational
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Oh, really. So a pregnant woman comes to you and says she doesn't want your 'sympathy'. She doesn't want your kindness in her crisis situation. She wants an aboriton.
I not talking about a pregnant woman who doesn't want help. I'm talking about being there for those that need help and ask for help. Do you think there is something wrong with helping pregnant women who are in need?

One of the charges of the pro-death crowd is that we "Christians" don't really care about women and children. While that is a lie and can be demonstrated that we do care about women and children in many ways, the more tangible things we do to demonstrate our "love of others' the less their argument will take hold.
 

Lees

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2022
Messages
2,182
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Christian
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
I not talking about a pregnant woman who doesn't want help. I'm talking about being there for those that need help and ask for help. Do you think there is something wrong with helping pregnant women who are in need?

One of the charges of the pro-death crowd is that we "Christians" don't really care about women and children. While that is a lie and can be demonstrated that we do care about women and children in many ways, the more tangible things we do to demonstrate our "love of others' the less their argument will take hold.

Ok. Then you are in agreement with the present Supreme Courts ruling.

But, from a basic crisis situation....a whore comes up to you, (prostitiute, harlot), says she really has a problem... I am pregnant. I need help. Money. She really is pregnant and she really needs money, possibly now to go to another state and get an abortion.

What do you do? Does the love of God in you as a Christian help her?

Lees
 

atpollard

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 6, 2017
Messages
2,573
Location
Florida
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Baptist
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
And it's going to lead to another war between the states. A real civil war.

Lees
The Republican States will win … they have more gun owners. ;)
 

Lanman87

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 30, 2020
Messages
733
Age
55
Location
Bible Belt
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Non-Denominational
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Ok. Then you are in agreement with the present Supreme Courts ruling.

But, from a basic crisis situation....a whore comes up to you, (prostitiute, harlot), says she really has a problem... I am pregnant. I need help. Money. She really is pregnant and she really needs money, possibly now to go to another state and get an abortion.

What do you do? Does the love of God in you as a Christian help her?

Lees
I direct her to a Christian Crisis Pregnancy Center that I support financially that will help her with healthcare, expenses, and maybe job training and childcare once the baby is born.
 

Lucian Hodoboc

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 1, 2019
Messages
1,343
Location
Eastern Europe
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Theist
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Single
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
No
I wanted to start a list here on the site somewhere for each state and maybe that's something I should actually do. It's important to spread the word that people DO care about pregnant women and their unborn.
Do it. I'll share the link on Reddit and other sites.
 

Lamb

God's Lil Lamb
Community Team
Administrator
Supporting Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Messages
32,649
Age
57
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Do it. I'll share the link on Reddit and other sites.

It will take a long time to assemble all the information together. I have put out a call for help on Facebook and only got a few responses. So I'll have to do a lot of research on my own.
 

Josiah

simul justus et peccator
Valued Contributor
Joined
Jun 12, 2015
Messages
13,927
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
I direct her to a Christian Crisis Pregnancy Center that I support financially that will help her with healthcare, expenses, and maybe job training and childcare once the baby is born.


My lower education was by home school.... but through a large, mega "Evangelical" church. The church had a school (K-12) but ALSO a support ministry for homeschooling. I was a part of that. The curriculum was provided by the school, testing and grades were made by it, etc.

Well, it required "service hours". Quite a few. Half of which could be through our church (which I did), but I supplied the rest by mostly by volunteering at a "crisis pregnancy center" one my parents and church financially helped. Because I was a teen and a BOY, I was not permitted to interface with the moms, so I did secretarial work, cleaning, helped with the storeroom, etc.

When there were no moms at the center, I often spoke with the two care givers then volunteering. And (it was obvious) they made a point of talking to me - a teen boy super-saturated with male hormones and already sort of dating. Anyway, those years had a profound and lasting impact on me. In terms of how I view my sexuality and that of others, how I view abortion, and how I view being responsible.

ONE of the things I learned is that OFTEN the mom feels a LOT of pressure - from the dad, from her parents, and often from "friends" all of whom often pressured her to "get rid of the thing." They were told the "thing" was just a lifeless blob of non-human cells, and an abortion was the same as getting a haircut (except hair is alive and this thing isn't). The pressure often equated to expectations and sometimes demands. At times, the reason was purely economic (guys know all about child support laws and parents that often they end up contributing time and money) but more often, it was simply "do the easy thing".

But here's the thing: Moms often don't buy this. Especially after they learn about the development of their baby and when they "meet" her through an ultrasound. The "pro-choice" thing is not only absurd (the one most being killed has no choice at all!) but often not true AT ALL. The mother is told to do this... and feels she has no other choice. The center tried to listen, care, support - and show that there are options.



The Pro-Abortion "camp" isn't about giving choice to some and depriving it from the one to be killed, it's about PROPERTY. Declaring the unborn to just be PROPERTY. OWNED by the mother (like a slave - not a human, not a person) and she can do with IT whatever she wants - including killing "it." They are consistently speaking of the unborn as PROPERTY, not even the equal of your dog but more like a kleenex. They MAY have to realize that ultra-sound but still insist, "That's an image of PROPERTY." Children are property, slaves... owned by the powerful who may do with "it" as the owner pleases - even be killed. All this is defended by terms, language, arguments taken right from the pro-slavery movement in the US long ago, just regurgitated. The pro-abortion argument all depends on DIVIDING mother from child, pinning them against each other, insisting the woman has POWER and OWNERSHIP, and that this blob they see in the ultra-sound isn't alive, isn't human, it's property they own and control. Because of the pressure they feel, some moms choose to believe that.... because it lessens their guilt. Of course, the abortionist makes a lot of money doing this. Blood money.

But more and more moms don't buy the obvious lie. They know this one kicking them is not a a kleenex or lifeless blob... this is their baby. The abortion rate in the US has been declining for a long time now as more and more people are recognizing the lies and choosing to be more responsible in their personal lives (teens for example are far more apt to use contraceptives than they were). We are winning - simply because we are right.

Overturning Roe v Wade doesn't change much, States are still free to empower this murder, this "property" mentality, this lie that until the last cell of the last toe to exit the birth canal happens, it's just a lifeless blob - not a baby, not a boy, not a girl, not a human (not even a cockroach) but lifeless, worthless property (like a used kleenex). And some US states will do that (including my state) - at least for as long as they can keep us the lie and be supported by dads who don't want to use a condom and pay child support. We need to tell the truth.... we need to support BOTH moms and babies.... we need to counter the division, the divisiveness that the pro-abortion camp so needs.... we need to encourage responsibility, care, support.



- Josiah




.
 
Last edited:

kiwimac

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 8, 2016
Messages
187
Age
64
Location
Deepest, darkest NZ
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Utrecht
Political Affiliation
Liberal
Marital Status
Married
What an appalling decision.
 
Top Bottom