What year was it when Protestants first started to remove books from the Holy Bible?

[NathanH83]

Another lie. I said the New Testament never claims “Jesus celebrate it."

John 10:22 clearly says that Jesus celebrated the Feast of Dedication.
Dedication in Hebrew is “Chanukah.”

And yet, you claim that Jesus did NOT celebrate it?
What’s your evidence?


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[Origen]

John 10:22 clearly says that Jesus celebrated the Feast of Dedication.

The word "celebrated" is not used in the verse or anywhere else in that section.

And yet, you claim that Jesus did NOT celebrate it?

Another lie. I never made that claim. I said more than once the N.T. NEVER claims "Jesus celebrated it."

 

[Josiah]

Andrew,

IF our brother had stated, "There was a late Church Father who viewed 2 Maccabees as canonical" there would have been no debate. Nothing new about that. Of course, we'd also point out that there was the exact thing said of several books Nathan does NOT accept - writings such as The Acts of Paul, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Apocalypse pf Peter, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Didache.... and that some denied the canoncity of the Revelation of John and Hebrews (often left out of Lectionaries).... So, I'd just wonder why we considers the opinion of SOME to be binding on all Christians and Jews but not others. IF a book is called "Scripture" by two or more early Christians, is it THEREFORE Scripture? In which case,why not Barnabas and Shepherd and the Didache?

But as you know, the claim is that CHRISTIANITY embraced some (never identified collection) of Books AS canonical Scripture. Not that 5 people personally did or believed so. CHRISTIANITY is not 5 people..... CHRISTIANITY is not the opinion of any one individual. Now, he claims that 3 obscure, LOCAL, councils of 3 different western Latin diocese are OFFICIAL binding declarations of ALL Christianity that we all must submit to - but he doesn't so why should we? He hasn't indicated that he submits to ANY council - not even the 3-7 that ARE Ecumenical, much less the tens of thousands of LATIN ones, Roman Catholic ones, of which he notes 3.

What he has claimed he has done NOTHING to substantiate as true because he has nothing. And what he brings up are arguments he himself rejects.




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[NathanH83]

The word "celebrated" is not used in the verse or anywhere else in that section.


Another lie. I never made that claim. I said more than once the N.T. NEVER claims "Jesus celebrated it."

Where’s your evidence that Jesus didn’t celebrate Hanukah? You made the claim, now back it up


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[Andrew]

Andrew,

IF our brother had stated, "There was a late Church Father who viewed 2 Maccabees as canonical" there would have been no debate. Nothing new about that. Of course, we'd also point out that there was the exact thing said of several books Nathan does NOT accept - writings such as The Acts of Paul, the Shepherd of Hermas, the Apocalypse pf Peter, the Epistle of Barnabas, the Didache.... and that some denied the canoncity of the Revelation of John and Hebrews (often left out of Lectionaries).... So, I'd just wonder why we considers the opinion of SOME to be binding on all Christians and Jews but not others. IF a book is called "Scripture" by two or more early Christians, is it THEREFORE Scripture? In which case,why not Barnabas and Shepherd and the Didache?

But as you know, the claim is that CHRISTIANITY embraced some (never identified collection) of Books AS canonical Scripture. Not that 5 people personally did or believed so. CHRISTIANITY is not 5 people..... CHRISTIANITY is not the opinion of any one individual. Now, he claims that 3 obscure, LOCAL, councils of 3 different western Latin diocese are OFFICIAL binding declarations of ALL Christianity that we all must submit to - but he doesn't so why should we? He hasn't indicated that he submits to ANY council - not even the 3-7 that ARE Ecumenical, much less the tens of thousands of LATIN ones, Roman Catholic ones, of which he notes 3.

What he has claimed he has done NOTHING to substantiate as true because he has nothing. And what he brings up are arguments he himself rejects.




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The NT canon of books is based on THE GOSPEL just as Paul preached!

You always like to push this argument of involving the NT, we are not discussing the NT, I think you know that.

 

[Origen]

Where’s your evidence that Jesus didn’t celebrate Hanukah? You made the claim, now back it up

Another lie. I never made such a claim. I said more than once the N.T. NEVER claims "Jesus celebrated it."

Moreover the word "celebrate" is never used in John 10:22 as you have falsely claimed.

 

[NathanH83]

Another lie. I never made such a claim. I said more than once the N.T. NEVER claims "Jesus celebrated it."

Moreover the word "celebrate" is never used in John 10:22 as you have falsely claimed.

John 10:22 tells us that Jesus attended the Feast of Dedication. It’s right there. Read it. Where’s your evidence that he didn’t?


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[Andrew]

Jesus was doing what a High priest does during the two feasts, preaching in the TEMPLE.

He was preaching at the Temple from the feast of tabernacles to the feast of dedication.

The first feast is to commemorate the Exodus and Gods light guiding them, the 2nd feasts is to commemorate the purification of the 2nd Temple, Jesus says during his preaching that He is the light.
Also he purified the Temple by running off the money pushers which the Maccabean revolt practically shadows when they ran off the idolaters from the Temple.

Jesus even went back on his word to the disciples saying that he would not go to the feast, but he did anyway, because he had to being a High Priest.

Jesus celebrated the dedication

 

[pinacled]

Jesus was doing what a High priest does during the two feasts, preaching in the TEMPLE.

He was preaching at the Temple from the feast of tabernacles to the feast of dedication.

The first feast is to commemorate the Exodus and Gods light guiding them, the 2nd feasts is to commemorate the purification of the 2nd Temple, Jesus says during his preaching that He is the light.
Also he purified the Temple by running off the money pushers which the Maccabean revolt practically shadows when they ran off the idolaters from the Temple.

Jesus even went back on his word to the disciples saying that he would not go to the feast, but he did anyway, because he had to being a High Priest.

Jesus celebrated the dedication

Calling Jesus a liar is unconscionable.

 

[Origen]

John 10:22 tells us that Jesus attended the Feast of Dedication.

John 10:22 never use the words "celebrated" or "attended."

It’s right there. Read it.

Which translation would you like me to use to prove you wrong?

NIV
Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

Not there!

ESV
At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Not there!

KJV
And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Not there either. John 10:22 never use the words "celebrated" or "attended." I would be happy to go on proving you wrong again and again if you like.

Where’s your evidence that he didn’t?

Never made that claim.

 

[NathanH83]

John 10:22 never use the words "celebrated" or "attended."


Which translation would you like me to use to prove you wrong?

NIV
Then came the Festival of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple courts walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

Not there!

ESV
At that time the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the colonnade of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Not there!

KJV
And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.

Not there either. John 10:22 never use the words "celebrated" or "attended." I would be happy to go on proving you wrong again and again if you like.


Never made that claim.

Dude, seriously. You’re not making any sense. Jesus was present at the temple

So now you’re just playing word games? Is that all the Bible means to you? A big word game? A game of semantics?


So now you’re claiming Jesus was not in attendance? Well, the Bible says he was. Where is your evidence that Jesus was not there? Where is your evidence he wasn’t celebrating? You made the claim. Back it up.

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[Andrew]

Calling Jesus a liar is unconscionable.

Sorry I didn't mean it that way, Jesus was set on going to the feast but he did not want his disciples to know when he would arrive nor did he want them to recognize him.
My mistake.

Point is, Jesus attended the feast and not to condemn it but to preach!

After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him. Now the Jew's feast of tabernacles was at hand. His brethren therefore said unto him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that thy disciples also may see the works that thou doest. For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world. For neither did his brethren believe in him. Then Jesus said unto them, My time is not yet come: but your time is alway ready. The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast: for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret. Then the Jews sought him at the feast, and said, Where is he? And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, He is a good man: others said, Nay; but he deceiveth the people. Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews. Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.
John 7:1-14

 

[NathanH83]

The fact that the New Testament would even mention Hanukkah disproves the ridiculous claims that people have made, that the New Testament never referenced or even alludes to the Apocrypha. I’ve heard dozens of people make that claim.


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[Origen]

Dude, seriously. You’re not making any sense.

The text NEVER uses the words "Jesus celebrated" or " Jesus attended" anything. It does not exist. You are simply making things up about the text.

NRSV
At that time the festival of the Dedication took place in Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the portico of Solomon. So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah,[a] tell us plainly.”

Not there!

NKJV
Now it was the Feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, “How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

CSB
Then the Festival of Dedication took place in Jerusalem, and it was winter. Jesus was walking in the temple in Solomon’s Colonnade. 24 The Jews surrounded him and asked, “How long are you going to keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

Not there either. So far not one translation states "Jesus celebrated" or " Jesus attended" anything.

So now you’re claiming Jesus was not in attendance?

I said John 10:22 does not use the words "celebrate" or "attend" as you claimed.

Where is your evidence he wasn’t celebrating? You made the claim.

I see you are back to lying again and so soon. Such a shame. I never made that claim.

 

[Andrew]

The fact that the New Testament would even mention Hanukkah disproves the ridiculous claims that people have made, that the New Testament never referenced or even alludes to the Apocrypha. I’ve heard dozens of people make that claim.


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Jesus risked his life to attend all of the Jewish feasts, Passover, Tabernacles and Dedication.

Oh but He was never taught what that last one was all about, had he known that it was based on a rugrats episode and a bunch of mythical Catholic books he probably would have reconsidered risking His life for it

 

[Andrew]

The text NEVER uses the words the words "Jesus celebrated" or " Jesus attended" anything. It does not exist. You are simply making things up about the text.


I said John 10:22 does not use the words "celebrate" or "attend" as you claimed.


I see you are back to lying again and so soon. Such a shame. I never made that claim.

A High Priest in the Temple during the Feast of Dedication isn't an attendance?

 

[Andrew]

The text NEVER uses the words the words "Jesus celebrated" or " Jesus attended" anything. It does not exist. You are simply making things up about the text.


I said John 10:22 does not use the words "celebrate" or "attend" as you claimed.


I see you are back to lying again and so soon. Such a shame. I never made that claim.

A High Priest in the Temple during the Feast of Dedication isn't an attendance?

 

[NathanH83]

A High Priest in the Temple during the Feast of Dedication isn't an attendance?

I wasn’t in attendance at the high school graduation.

I mean, I was there in the gymnasium where the graduation was taking place. I greeted and spoke with some of the graduates.

But I wasn’t in attendance.

Makes perfect sense.

 

[Origen]

The fact that the New Testament would even mention Hanukkah disproves the ridiculous claims that people have made, that the New Testament never referenced or even alludes to the Apocrypha. I’ve heard dozens of people make that claim.

RSV
It was the feast of the Dedication at Jerusalem; it was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in the portico of Solomon. So the Jews gathered round him and said to him, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Not there!

ASV
And it was the feast of the dedication at Jerusalem: it was winter; and Jesus was walking in the temple in Solomon’s porch. The Jews therefore came round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou hold us in suspense? If thou art the Christ, tell us plainly.

Not there!

WEB
It was the Feast of the Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple, in Solomon’s porch. 24 The Jews therefore came around him and said to him, “How long will you hold us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.”

Not there either. No "Jesus celebrated" or " Jesus attended" anything.

 

[Origen]

A High Priest in the Temple during the Feast of Dedication isn't an attendance?

Focus on what I said. I said the text NEVER uses the words "Jesus celebrated" or "Jesus attended" anything. That is a fact.