Who entertained angels unaware, as stated in Hebrews 13:2?

[pinacled]

He drove out a devil! HELLO!!!!?? Ever heard of the unforgivable sin?
Only devils cant drive out devils, the devil in Tobit was cast out by GODS WILL according to Raphael, if you say that the miracles and exorcisms in Tobit are done by the devil then just say the book is fiction and leave it at that because you claiming that devils can cast out devils and make things clean THEY CANT

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Sand glass and Pearl's beyond promises?

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[pinacled]

Tobit

Romans 1:25

 

[pinacled]

He wasn’t entertaining an angel unaware. It doesn’t fit.

Are you claiming that The Holy Spirit was involved?

 

[Origen]

Usually when I walk passed a stranger I ask them to perform a miracle to prove whether or not they are an angel, that's not normal and it defeats the purpose of being courteous to everyone.

Your example is an over simplification of what has been said and does not accurately reflect my comments. I have stated more than once that Gideon knew something was up, something was different. But I have also pointed out more than once that is not the same thing as knowing.

No one says to someone "prove to me who you are" when that person in fact knows exactly who the other person is. Such a scenario makes no sense.

 

[Andrew]

Your example is an over simplification of what has been said and does not accurately reflect my comments. I have stated more than once that Gideon knew something up, something was different. But I have also pointed out more than once that is not the same thing as knowing.

No one says to someone "prove to me who you are" when that person in fact knows exactly who the other person is. Search a scenario makes no sense.

Fine He was not 100% convinced that this was real, but not oblivious either, he needed proof that this was no man, he treated the dilemma with seriousness, thr Lord plans his Mission and Gideon request a sign, eye for an eye, he had a hunch per say. Not an ordinary stranger off the streets, the "man" had deep prophecy and revelation and a role for Gideon, speaking for the Lord words as the mouth of the LORD.

"Lord if this is you who speaks with me and the things spoken of are true and soon to pass, for if now I have found favor in your sight and are called to your will, give me a sign that you are truly the LORD whom you speak with."
- King Andrews Version

Basically proof me you are not human and show me a sign to max my faith.

Thats seriously the impression many commentaries get as well.

 

[pinacled]

Fine He was not 100% convinced that this was real, but not oblivious either, he needed proof that this was no man, he treated the dilemma with seriousness, thr Lord plans his Mission and Gideon request a sign, eye for an eye, he had a hunch per say. Not an ordinary stranger off the streets, the "man" had deep prophecy and revelation and a role for Gideon, speaking for the Lord words as the mouth of the LORD.

"Lord if this is you who speaks with me and the things spoken of are true and soon to pass, for if now I have found favor in your sight and are called to your will, give me a sign that you are truly the LORD whom you speak with."
- King Andrews Version

Basically proof me you are not human and show me a sign to max my faith.

Thats seriously the impression many commentaries get as well.

Bless those that curse

 

[NathanH83]

Never by deceit does an angel conceal their identity.

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Only by still silence do the angels work as a messenger till asked to reveal a Truth.

Ole sh'aul warned of Satan presenting themselves as an angel of light.

And what is also warned is that truth has no part with deception.
To which I believe ole sh'aul is warning about the book of To bit to be luciferian.

Blessings Always

Clearly no one has ever thrown you a surprise party.

 

[NathanH83]

You are saying he asked for a miracle because he was sure that he was in the presence of an angel but people ask for a sign to weed out the fakers too.

That means that Gideon knew that he was supposed to be an angel, but he had doubts. Since he wasn’t sure, he asked for the sign and it was proven to him. This is not entertaining an angel unaware. He was fully aware but just had doubts.

 

[NathanH83]

Usually when I walk passed a stranger I ask them to perform a miracle to prove whether or not they are an angel, that's not normal and it defeats the purpose of being courteous to everyone.
Gideon in my opinion is not part of the "some people" that Paul uses because his encounter had nothing to do with an angel trying to pass as a human but an angel trying to convince Gideon that this IS the LORD speaking and Gibeon requesting proof which was granted to him.

I need you to prove to me that you really are the random stranger that you claim to be. Can you please perform a miraculous sign to prove it?
Thanks.

 

[Andrew]

I need you to prove to me that you really are the random stranger that you claim to be. Can you please perform a miraculous sign to prove it?
Thanks.

I can turn red lights green just by staring at them

 

[Lamb]

That means that Gideon knew that he was supposed to be an angel, but he had doubts. Since he wasn’t sure, he asked for the sign and it was proven to him. This is not entertaining an angel unaware. He was fully aware but just had doubts.

You finally relent by agreeing with us that "he had doubts". That's what we've been trying to point out to you. He wasn't fully aware because of the doubts. He only could guess until it was proven to him.

 

[NathanH83]

You finally relent by agreeing with us that "he had doubts". That's what we've been trying to point out to you. He wasn't fully aware because of the doubts. He only could guess until it was proven to him.

He was fully aware, but had doubts. He knew it was supposed to be an angel, but wasn’t sure. That doesn’t fit with “entertaining angels unaware” as stated in Hebrews 13:2.

Tobit is the only thing that matches up.

 

[Lamb]

He was fully aware, but had doubts. He knew it was supposed to be an angel, but wasn’t sure. That doesn’t fit with “entertaining angels unaware” as stated in Hebrews 13:2.

Tobit is the only thing that matches up.

He was suspicious because there was a possibility that it was a faker. That's why we test everyone to see who they really are and which side they are on. You aren't proving that Tobit is canon because it's not.

 

[Andrew]

Gideon provided a meat offering to entertain the angel for he found that the angel of the Lord would have mercy on him for testing the Lord, which is forbidden, yet it was revealed to Gideon that the LORD has granted mercy to him.
He states "if I now have found grace your sight then show me a sign that you are speaking with me" he is referring to the things the Lord has spoken to him about.
He knows that God will have mercy on him for testing the Lord... therefore Gideon entertained the angel AWARE KNOWING that the angel WILL give him a sign and thus the LORD truly has favor and mercy in him.
After the angel vanished he was frightened which is exactly why the Lord told him to fear not, you will not die, peace be with you..
I originally thought he was excited but the Lord had to calm him down and not to fear, why would he say that to someone who is rejoicing?

The LORD had made Gideon aware that he was an angel when Gideon found in the ANGELS sight MERCY from the Lord (some versions say Grace, some say Favor)

 

[Lamb]

Gideon provided a meat offering to entertain the angel for he found that the angel of the Lord would have mercy on him for testing the Lord, which is forbidden, yet it was revealed to Gideon that the LORD has granted mercy to him.
He states "if I now have found grace your sight then show me a sign that you are speaking with me" he is referring to the things the Lord has spoken to him about.
He knows that God will have mercy on him for testing the Lord... therefore Gideon entertained the angel AWARE KNOWING that the angel WILL give him a sign and thus the LORD truly has favor and mercy in him.
After the angel vanished he was frightened which is exactly why the Lord told him to fear not, you will not die, peace be with you..
I originally thought he was excited but the Lord had to calm him down and not to fear, why would he say that to someone who is rejoicing?

The LORD had made Gideon aware that he was an angel when Gideon found in the ANGELS sight MERCY from the Lord (some versions say Grace, some say Favor)

If you look throughout scriptures, once people actually realize that they are in the presence of angels, that's when the fear hits and usually the angels tell them "fear not".

 

[Josiah]

Undeniable REALITY.....

Hebrews does NOT state who entertained angels unaware. The Book does NOT state any names of any persons in this regard. Not one. As any who can read KNOWS. It's just reality.

Anyone who inserts name(s) into the text is just pridefully inserting their guess(es) into the text. Nothing more. Some guesses might be more credible than others, but they are still personal guesses - NOT what the Book states.

The disrespect we see for God's Word's often amaze and disappoint me... the pride in self, the submission of God to the guesses and views of self disappoint me even more. Ezekiel 22:28.

IMO, truth matters. And the truth is, we don't know who the author of Hebrews has in mind here. For one simple, undeniable reality: He doesn't say.

Simple. Easy.




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[NathanH83]

He was suspicious because there was a possibility that it was a faker. That's why we test everyone to see who they really are and which side they are on. You aren't proving that Tobit is canon because it's not.

You say it’s not. Early church says it is. Who’s the faker?

 

[Andrew]

If you look throughout scriptures, once people actually realize that they are in the presence of angels, that's when the fear hits and usually the angels tell them "fear not".

Angels can also have a calming continence to them when they aren't displaying great power, when an angel burns up your food offering by manifesting fire and vanishing the reality of that type of display of power would be terrifying and might have made Gideon regret it for fear of death, the sign appeared to be a bad omen, he might have even thought he will face wrath for testing God.

John was okay with an angel showing him the visions but upon seeing the angel and that this great vision of revelation came from this being in front of him he was terrified.

Makes since, some people report wonderful angelic encounters but ever since John there has been no encounters of angels of the Lord who are of the highest rank of Angels, who even have the power to carry out Gods wrath.

 

[Andrew]

Undeniable REALITY.....

Hebrews does NOT state who entertained angels unaware. The Book does NOT state any names of any persons in this regard. Not one. As any who can read KNOWS. It's just reality.

Anyone who inserts name(s) into the text is just pridefully inserting their guess(es) into the text. Nothing more. Some guesses might be more credible than others, but they are still personal guesses - NOT what the Book states.

The disrespect we see for God's Word's often amaze and disappoint me... the pride in self, the submission of God to the guesses and views of self disappoint me even more. Ezekiel 22:28.

IMO, truth matters. And the truth is, we don't know who the author of Hebrews has in mind here. For one simple, undeniable reality: He doesn't say.

Simple. Easy.




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Have you heard of Martin Luthar? Did he disrespect Gods Word in his writings?
He made some very bold claims that go beyond just naming the people that are referenced or alluded to.

 

[Andrew]

He was suspicious because there was a possibility that it was a faker. That's why we test everyone to see who they really are and which side they are on. You aren't proving that Tobit is canon because it's not.

In OT times no canon existed
The protestant canon was never even commissioned by a council and officialized, it came from demands of protestants to the printing press
The Eastern Orthodox never embraced any thing other than the Septuagint because it's what the early Christians were using (before any canon)

If its believed by Lutherans that apocrypha books or at least some, contain contradictions that inspire heretical dogma, then why would any early Christian quote from it and why do Lutherans insist they are still good to read?
The apocrypha books are quoted by pre Nicene Christians and Church fathers 300+ times, you can find their massive library of writings at sacred-text.com

Im okay with you not accepting Tobit as canon but just ask yourself how the book ended up in the hands of Christians and into our bibles in the first place