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I am a moderator and we are discussing the Greek writings of early Christianity and what set of books they often quoted from including books from the Septuagint that 3 Christian denominations consider canon, Septuagint apologetics is nothing new, a good hand full of early Christian leaders defended these books in their writings... the NT and the ante Nicene Church leaders together quote from the Septuagint 300+ times, the Masoretic text did not come into existence until 1000 years
 
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I am a moderator and we are discussing the Greek writings of early Christianity and what set of books they often quoted from including books from the Septuagint that 3 Christian denominations consider canon, Septuagint apologetics is nothing new, a good hand full of early Christian leaders defended these books in their writings... the NT and the ante Nicene Church leaders together quote from the Septuagint 300+ times, the Masoretic text did not come into existence until 1000 years
If you're a moderator.
Then please move this thread to the speculative theology sub-forum.

On the grounds of conjecture that has been refuted.

With Integrity.
 

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...seem to point to the Septuagint as a more accurate and proper vorlage of an earlier original Hebrew text in opposition to the common Masoretic Hebrew text used today in most modern bibles..

Knowing that the council of Jamnia in 90 AD was the first ever assembly and establishment in regards to Hebrew canon (for unknown reasons by unbelieving Jewish high priests) leads me to believe without a doubt that God intended a translation for the gentiles and Jews of that era, meaning that the "canon" was settled by God through the Septuagint and every book it included -as inspired and not to be neglected.

How does one counter these facts to the contrary?

Why do protestants follow the tradition of the RCC with Jerome's advice from the unbelieving Jews he studied under -that certain books in the Septuagint were neither of any importance nor were they translated correctly..?
 

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I am a moderator and we are discussing the Greek writings of early Christianity and what set of books they often quoted from including books from the Septuagint that 3 Christian denominations consider canon, Septuagint apologetics is nothing new, a good hand full of early Christian leaders defended these books in their writings... the NT and the ante Nicene Church leaders together quote from the Septuagint 300+ times, the Masoretic text did not come into existence until 1000 years
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If you're a moderator.
Then please move this thread to the speculative theology sub-forum.

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With Integrity.
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I am a moderator and we are discussing the Greek writings of early Christianity and what set of books they often quoted from including books from the Septuagint that 3 Christian denominations consider canon, Septuagint apologetics is nothing new, a good hand full of early Christian leaders defended these books in their writings... the NT and the ante Nicene Church leaders together quote from the Septuagint 300+ times, the Masoretic text did not come into existence until 1000 years
What 3 christian denominations?
 
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What 3 christian denominations?
Eastern Orthodox accept the full Septuagint
Ethiopian Orthodox include many Apocrypha books as inspired along with Enoch (not part of the Septuagint)
Roman Catholic Church include a 2nd canon made up of some Apocrypha books aside from the "Apocrypha" section which contains the others.
Some protestant bibles include the "Apocrypha" section as "worth reading but not inspired"
Clement of Rome along with many others used these books in their sermons and you can find references of these books in their letters.
 
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Eastern Orthodox accept the full Septuagint
Ethiopian Orthodox include many Apocrypha books as inspired along with Enoch (not part of the Septuagint)
Roman Catholic Church include a 2nd canon made up of some Apocrypha books aside from the "Apocrypha" section which contains the others.
Some protestant bibles include the "Apocrypha" section as "worth reading but not inspired"
Clement of Rome along with many others used these books in their sermons and you can find references of these books in their letters.
Ethiopian orthodox is fiction.

So your left with the greek and latin transliterated from hebrew.
 

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Eastern Orthodox accept the full Septuagint
Ethiopian Orthodox include many Apocrypha books as inspired along with Enoch (not part of the Septuagint)
Roman Catholic Church include a 2nd canon made up of some Apocrypha books aside from the "Apocrypha" section which contains the others.
Some protestant bibles include the "Apocrypha" section as "worth reading but not inspired"
Clement of Rome along with many others used these books in their sermons and you can find references of these books in their letters.
Linguistics are far removed from Christian denominations ever since the tower/mountain of babel was removed and torn asunder.
Psalms 46:2
 

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Linguistics are far removed from Christian denominations ever since the tower/mountain of babel was removed and torn asunder.
Psalms 46:2
The Septuagint WAS the canon of the first Christians THERE WAS NO MASORETIC.
Why are you so against what they held as scripture? These are the ones who were martyred and yet you attack them by attacking my defense of the Septuagint, and you actually want this moved out of the Christian theology forum?
 

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The Bible never REMOTELY says that Paul did not know Hebrew OR that he ever went anywhere at anytime to learn it. Now, you wrote a lot - but not one word from the Bible because there's not one word in the Bible that states what you do or remotely implies it.








The NT was written in Greek. There was a claim that it was first written in Hebrew and/or Aramaic but nothing has been presented to prove that; we have no Hebrew or Aramaic manuscripts of the NT dating from before we have Greek ones. The recent "Aramaic Theory" of a tiny few has been repudiated, as well as simply having zero historic evidence; the sole purpose of this wild theory is so they can use some mysterious, invisible unknown as their norm instead of what actually exists.






I don't. I use a translation because I don't know Greek or Hebrew. Do you?

Again, there are THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of translations of the Bible. All done because there were lay readers who could not easily read Hebrew or Greek but wanted to read the text in a translation they could understand. But no publishing house speak officially, definitively and authoritatively for the church catholic as to what is and is not canonical. Publishing houses publish books (hopefully, that will sell). That's it. That's all. Nothing can be made of this.


It is likely some "church fathers" used translations. This likely because some could not read Hebrew. How does that prove that someone thus officially, formally, ecumenically and authoritatively declared what Books are and are not canonical?




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Paul was born a hellenistic Jew, why do you think he was called "Egyptian"? Why would an orthodox Hebrew devote a moment of his time to learn a secular language and culture? He was born in Tarsus and Greek was the main language of both the Greeks and the Jews in Turkey, it does not mean he wasn't a Jew, he makes this clear in Acts 21 and 22
 
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Paul was born a hellenistic Jew, why do you think he was called "Egyptian"? Why would an orthodox Hebrew devote a moment of his time to learn a secular language and culture? He was born in Tarsus and Greek was the main language of both the Greeks and the Jews in Turkey, it does not mean he wasn't a Jew, he makes this clear in Acts 21 and 22
Ole sh'aul was called an Egyptian in comparison to moshe.
Which has nothing to do with linguistics.

Otherwise there would be an Egyptian bible
 

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Paul was born a hellenistic Jew, why do you think he was called "Egyptian"? Why would an orthodox Hebrew devote a moment of his time to learn a secular language and culture? He was born in Tarsus and Greek was the main language of both the Greeks and the Jews in Turkey, it does not mean he wasn't a Jew, he makes this clear in Acts 21 and 22
Paul was born a hebrew of hebrews.
And no amount of geographic assertation will overrule his testimony.
 

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Ole sh'aul was called an Egyptian in comparison to moshe.
Which has nothing to do with linguistics.

Otherwise there would be an Egyptian bible
Read Daniel 11 and then read 1rst Maccabees, do you not understand the impact Ptolemy had on the nations?
Jesus celebrated the "Feast of Dedication", please explain the origins of this Holy day, hint: it has to do withe the 2nd Temple and the Maccabean revolt
 

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Paul was born a hebrew of hebrews.
And no amount of geographic assertation will overrule his testimony.
I have made it very clear that he was born a Hebrew
 

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I have made it very clear that he was born a Hebrew
And you also claim that he wasn't raised in the hebrew language which is contrary to the definition of ,"born a hebrew.'

You've also speculated that the minor Holy day has a greek root.
Will you recant ?
 
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I have made it very clear that he was born a Hebrew
1 Corinthians 15:8

[And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.]

Hebrew of hebrews
 

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And you also claim that he wasn't raised in the hebrew language which is contrary to the definition of ,"born a hebrew.'

You've also speculated that the minor Holy day has a greek root.
Will you recant ?
I did not say the holiday comes from greek roots, its purely judaic
 

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1 Corinthians 15:8

[And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.]

Hebrew of hebrews
Hellenized Jews are still Hebrew, the tongue does not define them, if they were born of a Jewish mother then they are Hebrew
 

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Hellenized Jews are still Hebrew, the tongue does not define them, if they were born of a Jewish mother then they are Hebrew
Ah, so you've studied halacha.
If his mother was jewish, and father greek.
Why then do you assume greek was the milk that sustained ole sh'aul from birth?

Regardless.
I know for a fact that both his parents were hebrew.
 
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