Who was sawn in two?

[NathanH83]

In Hebrews 11 it says that some were sawn in two. And it implies that it’s talking about someone in the Bible. But who is it talking about?

 

[NathanH83]

 

[Lamb]

In Hebrews 11 it says that some were sawn in two. And it implies that it’s talking about someone in the Bible. But who is it talking about?

It's not specific because there were too many to list. Look at the verses before and after and you get more info:

Hebrews 11:32 And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:

 

[Josiah]

In Hebrews 11 it says that some were sawn in two. But who is it talking about?

No one knows.... for one indisputable reason: the author doesn't say.

And it implies that it’s talking about someone in the Bible.

Nope.



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[NathanH83]

Justin Martyr, dialogue with Trypho the Jew:

But since what follows indicates that the reference is to Christ (for it is, 'and He shall be the expectation of nations'), I do not proceed to have a mere verbal controversy with you, as I have not attempted to establish proof about Christ from the passages of Scripture which are not admitted by you, which I quoted from the words of Jeremiah the prophet, and Esdras, and David; but from those which are even now admitted by you, which had your teachers comprehended, be well assured they would have deleted them, as they did those about the death of Isaiah, whom you sawed asunder with a wooden saw. And this was a mysterious type of Christ being about to cut your nation in two, and to raise those worthy of the honor to the everlasting kingdom along with the holy patriarchs and prophets;

Origen of Alexandria, Letter from Origen to Africanus, chapter 9:

For the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews, in speaking of the prophets, and what they suffered, says, They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, they were slain with the sword To whom, I ask, does the sawn asunder refer (for by an old idiom, not peculiar to Hebrew, but found also in Greek, this is said in the plural, although it refers to but one person)? Now we know very well that tradition says that Esaias the prophet was sawn asunder; and this is found in some apocryphal work, which probably the Jews have purposely tampered with, introducing some phrases manifestly incorrect, that discredit might be thrown on the whole.


Tertullian, Book 3, Of The Harmony of the Fathers of the Old and New Testaments:


His limbs, after his death, already
hid
In sepulcher, did touch, he - light
recalled
Revived ISAIAH, wealthy seer, to
whom
The fount was oped, - so manifest
his faith!
Poured form his mouth God's word
forth.
Promised was
The Father's will, bounteous
through Christ; through him
It testified before the way of life,
And was approved: but him, though
stainless found,
And undeserving, the mad People cut
With wooden saw in twain, and took
away.

 

[Spindle4]

Who was sawn in two?

According to Hebrews 11, some people who had faith in God.

 

[Fritz Kobus]

I don't know who was sawn in half, but I am glad it wasn't me.

 

[NewCreation435]

Why does it matter?

 

[NathanH83]

Why does it matter?

Because the Bible Matters.

 

[NathanH83]

I don't know who was sawn in half, but I am glad it wasn't me.

Why not? Looks like fun, doesn’t it?

 

[NathanH83]

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Who was sawn in two?

According to Hebrews 11, some people who had faith in God.

Ya think?
The author of Hebrews knew who he was talking about, and expected his audience to know.

 

[NathanH83]

Justin Martyr, dialogue with Trypho the Jew:

But since what follows indicates that the reference is to Christ (for it is, 'and He shall be the expectation of nations'), I do not proceed to have a mere verbal controversy with you, as I have not attempted to establish proof about Christ from the passages of Scripture which are not admitted by you, which I quoted from the words of Jeremiah the prophet, and Esdras, and David; but from those which are even now admitted by you, which had your teachers comprehended, be well assured they would have deleted them, as they did those about the death of Isaiah, whom you sawed asunder with a wooden saw. And this was a mysterious type of Christ being about to cut your nation in two, and to raise those worthy of the honor to the everlasting kingdom along with the holy patriarchs and prophets;

Origen of Alexandria, Letter from Origen to Africanus, chapter 9:

For the author of the Epistle to the Hebrews, in speaking of the prophets, and what they suffered, says, They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, they were slain with the sword To whom, I ask, does the sawn asunder refer (for by an old idiom, not peculiar to Hebrew, but found also in Greek, this is said in the plural, although it refers to but one person)? Now we know very well that tradition says that Esaias the prophet was sawn asunder; and this is found in some apocryphal work, which probably the Jews have purposely tampered with, introducing some phrases manifestly incorrect, that discredit might be thrown on the whole.


Tertullian, Book 3, Of The Harmony of the Fathers of the Old and New Testaments:


His limbs, after his death, already
hid
In sepulcher, did touch, he - light
recalled
Revived ISAIAH, wealthy seer, to
whom
The fount was oped, - so manifest
his faith!
Poured form his mouth God's word
forth.
Promised was
The Father's will, bounteous
through Christ; through him
It testified before the way of life,
And was approved: but him, though
stainless found,
And undeserving, the mad People cut
With wooden saw in twain, and took
away.

So, I guess I posted this, but nobody is going to bother to read it.

 

[NathanH83]

No one knows.... for one indisputable reason: the author doesn't say.






Nope.



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No one knows?
No one?
Not even God?
Not even the author of Hebrews?

 

[Spindle4]

Ya think?
The author of Hebrews knew who he was talking about, and expected his audience to know.

Do you have a list of names? Police Reports? Death Certificates?

 

[NathanH83]

Do you have a list of names? Police Reports? Death Certificates?

No. But there’s the writings of early church fathers who claimed to know. But I guess nobody bothered to read my post about that.

 

[Josiah]

Because the Bible Matters.

True. But individual opinions about what the Bible doesn;t say don't matter.

And what is condemnable is self designating that the personal theories/opinions/guesses of self MUST be what the Holy Spirit intended to say in the Bible but goofed.... that the opinion/theory/guess of self is what the Bible "implied" ... that's just egotistical, divisive and perhaps disrespectful of Scripture and God.




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[Josiah]

No one knows?
Not even God?

God knows... and He chose to not tell you. You seem to have a deep problem with that.

IF it's critical to YOU to know the names of these persons, perhaps you can ask when you get to heaven. But be prepared for God to say, "Doesn't matter." Or even "what makes you think that YOU are the one person in heaven who has the right to know this?"


"Humility is the foundation of all good theology" - Luther

"We are to be bold where Scripture is bold and silent where Scripture is silent" - John Wesley




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[Fritz Kobus]

This is similar to the what did Jesus write in the sand question.

 

[Spindle4]

But I guess nobody bothered to read my post about that.

Did too. It happened in the past and I don't do exams anymore.

 

[NathanH83]

True. But individual opinions about what the Bible doesn;t say don't matter.

And what is condemnable is self designating that the personal theories/opinions/guesses of self MUST be what the Holy Spirit intended to say in the Bible but goofed.... that the opinion/theory/guess of self is what the Bible "implied" ... that's just egotistical, divisive and perhaps disrespectful of Scripture and God.




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The author of Hebrews didn’t know who he was talking about?