What does it mean?

[MennoSota]

That is not true. What I've abandoned is the illusion that your messages have meaningful content.

Your own words prove you have abandoned grace and you trust in your works for salvation. There is no hope for you as long as you depend on MC for salvation.

 

[MoreCoffee]

There is no hope for you as long as you depend on MC for salvation.

Praise God that it is by grace that the faithful are saved and not by following MennoSota's spurious messages.

 

[Arsenios]

You don't care about context
nor do you care about good hermeneutics.
You have shown everyone at CH your failure
your insistence upon saving yourself
by your own effort.
Your own words prove you have abandoned grace

The Treasury of God is Love...

The treasury of demons is accusation...


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

The Treasury of God is Love...

The treasury of demons is accusation...


Arsenios

The treasury of God is salvation by grace through faith, not by works. The treasury of hell is salvation by works.

 

[Andrew]

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[MoreCoffee]

Nevertheless Christians call upon a Father who makes no distinction between persons, but judges, according to each one’s deeds; take seriously, then, these years which you spend in a strange land.

 

[Andrew]

Nevertheless Christians call upon a Father who makes no distinction between persons, but judges, according to each one’s deeds; take seriously, then, these years which you spend in a strange land.

Amen.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Amen.

A good amen if it means "yes, Lord, I believe what you say and I know that you will judge each one according to that one's deeds." But if it means "nice verse, pity it is all wrong." then the amen is wicked and shameful.

 

[Andrew]

A good amen if it means "yes, Lord, I believe what you say and I know that you will judge each one according to that one's deeds." But if it means "nice verse, pity it is all wrong." then the amen is wicked and shameful.

Brother, I am not a Lutheran.
Regardless I have always stated time and time again that I believe that the two sides ultimately agree but refuse to believe so thus ever continuing down a theological rabbit hole.
Did you know that a dollar bill automatically has debt attached to it?
So Faith also has goodness attached to it.
God will judge according to your deeds by THY Faith (you may be faithful to Allah or Buddha but your works remain unfruitful entirely)... It is impossible to have Faith and reflect the works of a devil, one can not have both, you cannot serve two masters.
So if one side is pro Faith alone and the other is Pro works in Faith and both are Christian, well by God I believe you two agree! But are both equally hard headed lol

 

[MoreCoffee]

Brother, I am not a Lutheran.

A blessing indeed, in some things.

 

[Arsenios]

The treasury of God is salvation by grace through faith, not by works.

Actually, that is the treasury of man...

God IS Love...

The treasury of hell is salvation by works.

The treasury of hell is NOT Salvation, by any means...

Demons do not have Salvation to give...

Nor would they give it if they did...


Arsenios

 

[MennoSota]

Praise God that it is by grace that the faithful are saved and not by following MennoSota's spurious messages.

My message is salvation by God's grace. You add the false doctrine of works salvation, which Paul declare anathema.

 

[MennoSota]

Actually, that is the treasury of man...

God IS Love...



The treasury of hell is NOT Salvation, by any means...

Demons do not have Salvation to give...

Nor would they give it if they did...


Arsenios

Love is expressed in grace, not in the attempted merits of fallen man.

 

[MoreCoffee]

My message is ...

There's the root of the error. It's your message. Not the gospel. Not a message from God.

 

[MennoSota]

There's the root of the error. It's your message. Not the gospel. Not a message from God.

Dude, your prooftexting abuse is legendary. God tells us his salvation is given by grace alone with no help from humans so that no one can boast.
Yet, you demand that you must have the opportunity to boast about how your works establish and maintain your salvation.
There are multiple threads showing your false teaching and abusive use of God's word in order to promote your legalism and Judaiser teaching.
Feel free to mock the Gospel of God's unmerited favor to those whom He wills. You simply mock God by doing so.

 

[MoreCoffee]

God tells us his salvation is given by grace alone

Not really. God tells the faithful that salvation is given as a grace but it is not "grace alone" rather it is grace through faith for the purpose of doing the good works that God prepared to be the way of life for his faithful people. That is the message that you erroneously misrepresent in so many of the posts that contain "your message".

 

[MennoSota]

Not really. God tells the faithful that salvation is given as a grace but it is not "grace alone" rather it is grace through faith for the purpose of doing the good works that God prepared to be the way of life for his faithful people. That is the message that you erroneously misrepresent in so many of the posts that contain "your message".

Faith is from God...not from you. Good works come from the faith...God gives...not from you. You are corrupted. You cannot and never will play any part in your holiness other than as a receptor of God's unmerited favor. MC...YOU must put away all fantasies of your own valient efforts. They are as dirty rags before God. Stop pimping your SELF as a player in your salvation. You aren't a player. You are a recipient of God's unmerited favor. Rest in that blessing and be thankful.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Faith is from God...not from you.

Yes, just as works are from God and no because the faithful do the believing in faith and the working in works. Your message is full of bad theology. It isn't Christ's teaching. It's bad theology drawing from bad philosophy.

 

[Pedrito]

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With respect to 1 Peter 1:13-25, especially 1 Peter 1:17, MennoSota asked of MoreCoffee in Post #33:

I will ask one question. Just answer it straight up.
Is Peter writing to unsaved pagans when he writes this letter?

He followed that up in Post #35 with:

You didn't answer my question. Is Peter writing to unsaved pagans?

Peter is not addressing salvation at all. His readers are saved. They're salvation is not in jeopardy or dependent upon their works.
MC, you are attempting to pound a square peg into a round hole.

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I would like to draw MennoSota’s attention to 1 John 5:16-17 (ESV):
16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.


And I hope I won’t be accused of plagiarism if I ask of MennoSota [emphasis added]:

Is John writing to unsaved pagans when he writes this letter?

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[MennoSota]

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With respect to 1 Peter 1:13-25, especially 1 Peter 1:17, MennoSota asked of MoreCoffee in Post #33:


He followed that up in Post #35 with:


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I would like to draw MennoSota’s attention to 1 John 5:16-17 (ESV):
16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life—to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.
17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.


And I hope I won’t be accused of plagiarism if I ask of MennoSota [emphasis added]:

Is John writing to unsaved pagans when he writes this letter?

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John is writing to Christians. Your passage from 1John 5 is not referring to salvation.