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I have a bunch of "is this a sin" questions, and instead of spamming the forums with several threads about each individual question, I'm gonna ask them in this thread, and you're going to provide answers for them, according to your theological views.

Not all questions will be asked at once. I'll ask them as soon as they come to me.

First question: is watching comedy and enjoying it a sin? Jesus says that those who weep are blessed, not those who laugh.
 

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I have a bunch of "is this a sin" questions, and instead of spamming the forums with several threads about each individual question, I'm gonna ask them in this thread, and you're going to provide answers for them, according to your theological views.

Not all questions will be asked at once. I'll ask them as soon as they come to me.

First question: is watching comedy and enjoying it a sin? Jesus says that those who weep are blessed, not those who laugh.
What verse says that?

"Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh."
Luke 6:21
 

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I have a bunch of "is this a sin" questions, and instead of spamming the forums with several threads about each individual question, I'm gonna ask them in this thread, and you're going to provide answers for them, according to your theological views.

Not all questions will be asked at once. I'll ask them as soon as they come to me.
Wait until they come to you. Then write out a list.
 

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Wait until they come to you. Then write out a list.

I'd rather not. If I did that, I'd spend my entire life ruminating over the ones that I've already put on the list because that's how religious OCD/scrupulosity works in my mind. I think asking them one by one is a better approach. I hope you don't mind. :|
 

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My view...


"Sin" literally means "to miss the mark" "to fall short of the mark." In the ancient Olympics, when an archer missed the bulls-eyes, he "sinned."
The "bulls-eye" is perfection - the very nature of God. Matthew 5:48, etc., etc., etc.


"SIN" is a spiritual disease.
A sickness, a twisted, broken aspect that is our fallen-ness
Not "inherited" in that it's in our DNA but a part of who FALLEN man (and women, lol) ARE.
We are conceived with it.
No Jesus was not, but that's another issue (IMO because of the "communication of attributes" between His two inseparable natures)

Let's say I have a cold (I don't but go with me here).
Then I HAVE it.
I MAY have symptoms (runny hose, sneezing, coughing, etc.)
Those are not the disease but sympoms of it.

Sometimes the Bible speaks of the disease ("Original sin") simply as "sin" (in the singular)
Sometimes the Bible speaks of the symptoms ("actualized sin") as "sins"

We have sin always
We don't commit sins always.
To me, focusing just on the symptoms misses the point and CAN mislead someone into thinking they are without sin.




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As long as you aren't making those comedies your god then it's not a sin, enjoy them and appreciate the talents that God gave people to create those shows for your entertainment.
 

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I have a bunch of "is this a sin" questions, and instead of spamming the forums with several threads about each individual question, I'm gonna ask them in this thread, and you're going to provide answers for them, according to your theological views.

Not all questions will be asked at once. I'll ask them as soon as they come to me.

First question: is watching comedy and enjoying it a sin? Jesus says that those who weep are blessed, not those who laugh.
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 For everything there is a season, and a time for every matter under heaven: a time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up what is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and
a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to seek, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to tear, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love, and a time to hate; a time for war, and a time for peace.
 

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I have a bunch of "is this a sin" questions, and instead of spamming the forums with several threads about each individual question, I'm gonna ask them in this thread, and you're going to provide answers for them, according to your theological views.

Not all questions will be asked at once. I'll ask them as soon as they come to me.

First question: is watching comedy and enjoying it a sin? Jesus says that those who weep are blessed, not those who laugh.

Using that kind of reasoning we could argue that eating food is a sin because Jesus said those who hunger are blessed. It's one of those cases where context is so important. The notion that those who weep are blessed doesn't mean we should spend our lives in misery.

Before asking whether something is sinful I think we need to figure out how we want to read Scripture. Some argue that Scripture contains a list of what we are allowed to do and if it isn't expressly permitted by Scripture then we shouldn't do it. What is ironic is that many such people post their theories on the internet despite Scripture not making any mention of posting on internet forums.

The way I'd consider the question of whether something, anything, is sinful is to figure whether the Bible expressly commands it or prohibits it. In some matters Scripture is clear what we must do, for example "Love your neighbor as yourself". It's very clear, there are no convenient exceptions, and the parable of the Good Samaritan indicates that even people we regard as the lowest of the low, as undesirable, unclean, whatever, still count as a neighbor. In other matters Scripture is clear in prohibiting something, for example "You shall not commit adultery". No ifs, no buts, no but-what-abouts, a simple "thou shalt not". On many things Scripture is silent. It may be that Scripture doesn't explicitly command or prohibit something but a conclusion can reasonably be drawn by inference - for example Scripture might not explicitly tell us not to visit the casino and gamble our rent money but does have something to say about people who fail to provide for their families.

Where Scripture is silent we can figure whether something is a help or a hindrance to our walk with God. We can consider our motives in doing something. By looking at how it might affect our own life and our own walk with God we can decide whether something is helpful, unhelpful, or makes no difference.

Where comedy is concerned we might conclude that it depends on the nature of the comedy. Someone like Tim Vine (a British comedian) is known for being clean, family-friendly etc. Tim Vine is the kind of comedian you can take your kids to see and be confident that he won't say anything that will lead to awkward questions later, nor will he say something you wouldn't want the kids to repeat. Kids might not understand all of his humor - a lot of it is about word plays - but it's clean. On the other hand someone like Roy "Chubby" Brown is known for his foul-mouthed humor - he's not someone you'd take your grandmother to see, or your kids, or just about anyone with much sense of decorum. Some of his material is funny, most of it isn't the sort of thing you'd repeat in polite company, and at least some of it is little more than a joke that wasn't very funny before and isn't any funnier just because he added a handful of expletives to it. Hence, going to see someone like Tim Vine is the sort of thing I'd confidently say isn't sinful but where Roy "Chubby" Brown is concerned I'd urge a Christian to really ask whether seeing him perform is going to do anything to help their walk with God.
 

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If your laughter helps you then God loves it.
 

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Using that kind of reasoning we could argue that eating food is a sin because Jesus said those who hunger are blessed.

And that's how my eating disorder began. I'm constantly feeling guilty for eating because gluttony is a sin, and I feel like I don't deserve to eat because I'm a sinner. :(
 

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As a cover answer it is all in how you view each thing, is it a God? Does it take up all your time to the point you have no time for God or reading the Word? If not then it isnt sin but is it is a God to you or is tearing you away from God then yes it is. As for the food thing dont let satan win, he is the one telling you it is wrong to eat. While gluttony is a sin sating and enjoying it isn not. Dont be fooled by the serpent.
 

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And that's how my eating disorder began. I'm constantly feeling guilty for eating because gluttony is a sin, and I feel like I don't deserve to eat because I'm a sinner. :(

This is one of many things that comes down to a sense of balance.

A lot of traffic enforcement in the UK is done with cameras. In particular speed limits are enforced with cameras, as are bus lanes and red lights. The camera has no capacity to reason, no capacity to warn someone of the rule, they simply take a picture and you get a fine in the mail. So if you've got an ambulance behind you with its lights and sirens on, and you ease slightly through the red traffic light to let it get past (it's allowed to jump a red light if the road is clear, which it should be because traffic should yield to it), the camera doesn't see that you went through slowly and cautiously for a very good reason, it just registers a violation and you get a ticket in the mail. If you're speeding the cameras don't give you a warning, you just get a ticket in the mail. Sometimes for good measure you can drive down a road for miles seeing warnings of speed cameras on every other light pole but no indication of what the speed limit is. The signs are clear - if you go over a certain speed you'll get a ticket but we're not telling you what that speed is. It's counterproductive in so many ways it's just not funny.

If you think of God in the same way then following God becomes an exercise in fear and frustration. If you cross an invisible line then you sin, but there's no definition of where the line is so you end up taking a best guess, then worrying that you might be wrong and making a more conservative guess, and there's no end in sight. Scripture doesn't clearly tell us what differentiates "eating" from "overeating" or what differentiates "overeating" from "gluttony" so it would seem that either we're dealing with an invisible line with eternal consequences for straying even slightly over that line, or some other means of figuring what's what.

We need food to survive. We don't need to eat dessert after our meal to survive. So is it sinful to have a slice of pie after our main course? What about a second slice of pie? What if we've had seven slices already and decide to just finish off the rest of the pie? If we're worried about how many slices of pie we're eating, logically it must matter how big those slices are? If you cut a pie into 8 and eat two slices you've eaten more pie than if you had cut the pie into 15 and eaten three slices.

A lot of the time I think we need to make a difference between an occasional indulgence and a habitual indulgence, as well as our reasons for doing something. Most months at my church we have a fellowship meal, where people bring food to share and we all eat together. There is usually enough food to feed twice the number that turn out. I'm fond of desserts, and will often have a piece of several of the desserts on offer (usually what I do is sample a couple of them, then go back for seconds once others have had chance - it seems crass to load up as many plates as I can carry all at once). Is that sinning? I don't think it is - the food is there to be shared, and it's not like I eat until I'm sick, nor do I eat like that on a regular basis. Likewise when I visit my Portuguese friends their approach to hospitality is to feed you until you can barely eat anything else. To them their job as hosts is to make sure their guests have eaten well and they would consider it quite rude to accept an invitation to eat with them and then not actually eat with them. I don't think it's useful to argue that such a situation demands that you choose between offending your hosts or taking a greater risk of crossing an unknown line.

Jesus ate and drank with sinners. He noted how when he came eating and drinking people called him a glutton and a winebibber (which suggests he was also drinking wine). But we know Jesus was sinless, so we can reasonable assume that eating and drinking in sufficient quantities that some called him a glutton and winebibber isn't actually sinful. That suggests the issue is more about motive than specific quantities.

I'd draw a rough parallel with the issue of drinking alcohol. Jesus being called a winebibber suggests he partook of a glass or three at times so we can reasonable conclude that drinking wine isn't sinful. Paul told the Ephesians not to be drunk with wine, so we might consider limits where drinking wine (or, by extension, beer or spirits or whatever else has alcohol in it). We could try and figure out what counts as being "drunk" but that becomes an impossible task with so many possible scenarios. If you're a commercial airline pilot about to fly you'll have a very strict rule about how much alcohol you can have. If you're planning to drive home you'll have a specific limit, even if less strict. If you're at a friend's house and stopping overnight you don't have to worry about drinking and driving. But what counts as "drunk", and how do you know that this particular drink will make you "drunk" unless you either drink it to find out or refrain completely just to be safe. We can look at Paul's reasoning - he says not to be drunk with wine because it leads to debauchery. The idea isn't to create a prohibition against crossing some arbitrary and vaguely defined line just for the sake of it, more to avoid doing something that will cause other problems. The way I see it, if you're eating and drinking with friends and suddenly realise the wine has gone to your head and you feel a little fuzzy you haven't sinned. If you've drunk so much you start lusting after your friend that's different. If you habitually drink in order to get drunk that's different. If you drive home despite being over the relevant limits for drinking and driving that's different.

Ultimately a lot of this will come down to how you see God. Do you see God as a loving father who wants the best for us, or as a strict disciplinarian who is watching our every move looking for a reason to punish us?
 

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I have a bunch of "is this a sin" questions, and instead of spamming the forums with several threads about each individual question, I'm gonna ask them in this thread, and you're going to provide answers for them, according to your theological views.

Not all questions will be asked at once. I'll ask them as soon as they come to me.

First question: is watching comedy and enjoying it a sin? Jesus says that those who weep are blessed, not those who laugh.

Comedy and laughter are redeeming qualities that help make our lives bearable.
 

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Do you see God as a loving father who wants the best for us, or as a strict disciplinarian who is watching our every move looking for a reason to punish us?
I see Him as a mixture of both, but mostly the latter.
 

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Why do you see God more as a punisher than as a loving father?
I used to look at God as a punisher, mainly because the church I was attending was very judgmental, very Holiness living, it made me feel guilty for owning a tv or taking prescription medication for my bipolar disorder, and if you didn't attend 3 times a week and pay your tithes you are a mere "part time Pentecostal" and not worthy of the Kingdom...
God is NOT a punisher, we are humble in the eyes of the Lord because of our imperfections and our commitment to the Savior whom we have never seen!
The conviction and quickening to the heart after saying or doing something bad is a blessing, it's Gods way of redirecting us and being graceful and merciful, before I was a Christian I never had that conviction and so I was steady on the path of destruction.
Now because of my remorse I am maturing in my walk with God, I follow the governmental laws which is something I rebelled against, I watch my language, I stopped judging others, these are the things that used to always get me in trouble when I ignored them, yes God is good and cares for us and wants us to grow in Faith! :)
We can be IN the world but not OF it, meaning we can be functional lawful and Godly people and not be afraid of what we eat or watch, if something you see offends the eye you certainly won't stay watching it or laughing at it... all the movies I used to watch I no longer can because I honestly can't find them funny or entertaining anymore... nothing wrong with maturing in Christ Jesus
 
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Isn't He the one who teaches us how to see Him?

Yes, but only if we're willing to see what he is showing us and not what we want to see. It's very easy to create our own god (small g intentional) that may look kinda sorta like God but tweaked to suit what we think God should be.

Sometimes our own designer god looks just like us, in which case we get to claim just how godly we are because it's no great surprise that the god we created to look like us looks, well, like us. Sometimes we create a god that is more angry, or more demanding, than God really is, in which case we get to cower in fear and jump through endless hoops to appease the god we created, when God doesn't want anything of the sort.

If we read Scripture to find the truth we find God there. If we read Scripture to confirm what we already believe we'll find ourselves there.
 
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