Purgatory?

[MoreCoffee]

Yes, Paul met Pricilla and Aquila and they went to Rome, sharing the good news. We have no record that anyone at Pentacost was from Rome ...

Acts 2:8-13 And how is it that we hear, each of us, in our own native language? (9) Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, (10) Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, (11) Cretans and Arabs--in our own languages we hear them speaking about God's deeds of power.' (12) All were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, 'What does this mean?' (13) But others sneered and said, 'They are filled with new wine.'

 

[Imalive]

I was speaking to MC.

Don't mind me. I'm just bored.


Weird guys those Romans.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You missed Baptist soteriology, which is by grace alone, as opposed to the works based (faux grace) teaching coming out of Rome.

Catholics teach that salvation is by grace through faith, not by works so nobody can proudly pretend to be self-saved, because the faithful are what God has made them to be, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be the way that the faithful live their lives.

 

[Lamb]

MC and I had this discussion before and he believes that the works that Catholics do are by grace, that the Holy Spirit works through them to do works.

 

[MoreCoffee]

MC and I had this discussion before and he believes that the works that Catholics do are by grace, that the Holy Spirit works through them to do works.

The Catholic Church teaches what good works are works of grace and that ultimately it is God who gives them to the faithful to do by means of his graces to them.

 

[Albion]

MC and I had this discussion before and he believes that the works that Catholics do are by grace, that the Holy Spirit works through them to do works.

Yes, but that only skirts the real issue. The RCC further teaches that our salvation is earned, at least in part, by those works. It is not the case that we are saved by grace through faith as Protestants believe and teach.

 

[Lamb]

Yes, but that only skirts the real issue. The RCC further teaches that our salvation is earned, at least in part, by those works. It is not the case that we are saved by grace through faith as Protestants believe and teach.

Yeah, that part kind of removes what the first hand says.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Yeah, that part kind of removes what the first hand says.

Except that the Catholic Church does not teach that any works earn salvation.

 

[MennoSota]

Acts 2:8-13 And how is it that we hear, each of us, in our own native language? (9) Parthians, Medes, Elamites, and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, (10) Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes, (11) Cretans and Arabs--in our own languages we hear them speaking about God's deeds of power.' (12) All were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, 'What does this mean?' (13) But others sneered and said, 'They are filled with new wine.'

Very good. Thanks for pointing this out. Nevertheless, it does not change the perverse path of today's Roman church.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Very good. Thanks for pointing this out. ..

Do you read the passages you refer to before you write your posts?

 

[MennoSota]

The Catholic Church teaches what good works are works of grace and that ultimately it is God who gives them to the faithful to do by means of his graces to them.

You don't see the contradiction in the RCs teaching. The RC negates grace by calling works...grace. That's an oxymoronic statement by your church. It's syncretism and it portrays God as needing your help in salvation. That is a teaching which Paul says is anathema in his letter to the Galatians.

 

[MoreCoffee]

You don't see the contradiction in the RCs teaching. The RC negates grace by calling works...grace. That's an oxymoronic statement by your church. It's syncretism and it portrays God as needing your help in salvation. That is a teaching which Paul says is anathema in his letter to the Galatians.

Have you read Ephesians?

 

[MennoSota]

Do you read the passages you refer to before you write your posts?

Sometimes. Sometimes I go by memory. This instance shows, I did not recall anyone being from Rome. My point regarding your church still remains. Why do you stick with a church that has perverted the teachings of God in order to have political power?

 

[MennoSota]

Have you read Ephesians?

Sure, Ephesians 1 and 2 show how horribly wrong your church teachings are.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sometimes. Sometimes I go by memory. ...

Memory is not reliable. Best to check the passages before using them in a post.

 

[MennoSota]

Memory is not reliable. Best to check the passages before using them in a post.

Agreed, which is why you should toss out the Roman catechism and read your Bible.

 

[Imalive]

You don't see the contradiction in the RCs teaching. The RC negates grace by calling works...grace. That's an oxymoronic statement by your church. It's syncretism and it portrays God as needing your help in salvation. That is a teaching which Paul says is anathema in his letter to the Galatians.

No Paul doesn't say that. He says circumcision and going back to keeping Jewish laws as taught by Judaizers isn't gonna save you. He puts his body under control so he won't be rejected himself after having preached others. Work out your salvation. Fulfill the law by being led by the Spirit. Grace doctrin has made ppl blind to these texts. Go sin, you won't die. It's what the devil told Eve. Everywhere ppl are told to repent, work out their salvation w fear and trembling, do not be mislead, doers of the Word.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Sure, Ephesians 1 and 2 show how horribly wrong your church teachings are.

Notice this passage

Ephesians 2:1-10 You were dead through the trespasses and sins (2) in which you once lived, following the course of this world, following the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work among those who are disobedient. (3) All of us once lived among them in the passions of our flesh, following the desires of flesh and senses, and we were by nature children of wrath, like everyone else. (4) But God, who is rich in mercy, out of the great love with which he loved us (5) even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ--by grace you have been saved-- (6) and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, (7) so that in the ages to come he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness towards us in Christ Jesus. (8) For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God-- (9) not the result of works, so that no one may boast. (10) For we are what he has made us, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand to be our way of life.
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Good works are a blessing of God's grace they are not something to be ashamed of nor to be avoided. Catholics teach that good works are grace given

426. What is merit?

In general merit refers to the right to recompense for a good deed. With regard to God, we of ourselves are not able to merit anything, having received everything freely from him. However, God gives us the possibility of acquiring merit through union with the love of Christ, who is the source of our merits before God. The merits for good works, therefore must be attributed in the first place to the grace of God and then to the free will of man.​

427. What are the goods that we can merit?

Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods, suitable for us, can be merited in accordance with the plan of God. No one, however, can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion and justification.​

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[MoreCoffee]

Agreed, which is why you should toss out the Roman catechism and read your Bible.

I manage to read both and I read the passage I quote and cite in my posts before I post them.

 

[MennoSota]

No Paul doesn't say that. He says circumcision and going back to keeping Jewish laws as taught by Judaizers isn't gonna save you. He puts his body under control so he won't be rejected himself after having preached others. Work out your salvation. Fulfill the law by being led by the Spirit. Grace doctrin has made ppl blind to these texts. Go sin, you won't die. It's what the devil told Eve. Everywhere ppl are told to repent, work out their salvation w fear and trembling, do not be mislead, doers of the Word.

Not blind. We are very aware of God's work of sanctification in our lives and our response to God's work.
What you and MC are doing is to add works to salvation, which is anathema.
You may be teaching such works merely because you are ignorant, yet upon being corrected you continue in your ignorance.