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Recap:

Post #3 on Page 1 (Pedrito):
For Pedrito, Lent has never lent any particular motivation for observance.

Post #11 on Page 2 (Cassia):
Of course. Lent is never borrowed.

To which Pedrito replied:

Lend – Dictionary.com:
To give or contribute obligingly or helpfully.
To furnish or impart.

Just in case there was any misunderstanding.

That resulted in:

Post #33 on Page 4:
Lent is a noun when referring to the season preceding Easter. It is not the past tense of the verb "lend" when discussing the season of Lent.

To which, Pedrito replies:

Pedrito understood Cassia’s statement to be referring to the verbal “lent” in “Lent has never lent any particular motivation for observance.

Pedrito was merely emphasising a point (in a humorous manner) by means of word play.

Pedrito hopes (and suspects) that Cassia was not the only person to pick up on that.
 

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Recap:

Post #3 on Page 1 (Pedrito):


Post #11 on Page 2 (Cassia):


To which Pedrito replied:



That resulted in:

Post #33 on Page 4:


To which, Pedrito replies:

Pedrito understood Cassia’s statement to be referring to the verbal “lent” in “Lent has never lent any particular motivation for observance.

Pedrito was merely emphasising a point (in a humorous manner) by means of word play.

Pedrito hopes (and suspects) that Cassia was not the only person to pick up on that.


Now, that's a shame that you aren't motivated to see Lent for what it could be in your life as a call to repentance but hey, that's okay, because maybe you don't have to repent of anything and you're one of those perfect peeps?
 

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TurtleHare, Post #42 on Page 5:
Now, that's a shame that you aren't motivated to see Lent for what it could be in your life as a call to repentance but hey, that's okay, because maybe you don't have to repent of anything and you're one of those perfect peeps?

Pedrito cannot help but continue to feel sorry for the Apostles and the Apostolic Church.

They missed out on so much!

They had: no Lent; no Holy Week; no Easter; no feast days; no Christmas – nothing but the annual 14th Nisan commemoration of Jesus’ death.

How weak and shallow their faith must have been – they lacked all the post-apostolic props that modern Christendom seems to be somewhat (based on the post quoted above, and others) lost without.

It seems a wonder that the faith of the Apostolic Church survived at all.

Do you think?
 

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TurtleHare, Post #42 on Page 5:


Pedrito cannot help but continue to feel sorry for the Apostles and the Apostolic Church.

They missed out on so much!

They had: no Lent; no Holy Week; no Easter; no feast days; no Christmas – nothing but the annual 14th Nisan commemoration of Jesus’ death.

How weak and shallow their faith must have been – they lacked all the post-apostolic props that modern Christendom seems to be somewhat (based on the post quoted above, and others) lost without.

It seems a wonder that the faith of the Apostolic Church survived at all.

Do you think?

Yeah, good one but try again since your still avoiding the fact at how Lent is about repentance and you well know the Apostles taught that it's just that word Lent that bothers you right? If it wasn't that word and we said Lets talk repentance you'd be all in it.
 

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In Post #43 on Page 5, Pedrito pointed out that the faith of the Apostolic Church was strong and remained strong, despite not even knowing about Lent, Holy Week, Easter, feast days, and Christmas. He also pointed out that by the way those observances are spoken of, they appear to act as necessary props to faith within the post-apostolic Christendom as practiced in our time.

TurtleHare in Post #44 on the same page, responded thus:
Yeah, good one but try again since your still avoiding the fact at how Lent is about repentance and you well know the Apostles taught that it's just that word Lent that bothers you right? If it wasn't that word and we said Lets talk repentance you'd be all in it.

Lent, Bent, Rent – call it what you will. The name is unimportant. That should be (and Pedrito thinks is) obvious. It is the principle of, and the stated reasons for, Lenten practice that are important.

As far as we can tell from the Holy Writings, both the Apostles and the Apostolic Church practiced constant repentance (etc.), and needed no artificially imposed, periodic rituals or practices to focus their attention on such things.

It would seem therefore that their faith was actually stronger than that of the post-apostolic Christendom that we are familiar with. (Christendom in our day.)


Now if that were to be acknowledged ...
 

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The key to understanding the meaning of Lent is simple: Baptism. Preparation for Baptism and for renewing baptismal commitment lies at the heart of the season. Since the Second Vatican Council, the Church has reemphasised the baptismal character of Lent, especially through the restoration of the Catechumenate and its Lenten rituals. Our challenge today is to renew our understanding of this important season of the Church year and to see how we can integrate our personal practices into this renewed perspective.

Why is Baptism so important in our Lenten understanding? Lent as a 40-day season developed in the fourth century from three merging sources. The first was the ancient paschal fast that began as a two-day observance before Easter but was gradually lengthened to 40 days. The second was the catechumenate as a process of preparation for Baptism, including an intense period of preparation for the Sacraments of Initiation to be celebrated at Easter. The third was the Order of Penitents, which was modelled on the catechumenate and sought a second conversion for those who had fallen back into serious sin after Baptism. As the catechumens (candidates for Baptism) entered their final period of preparation for Baptism, the penitents and the rest of the community accompanied them on their journey and prepared to renew their baptismal vows at Easter.

Lent, then, is radically baptismal.

These are questions that arise within the Catholic Church when young people (and adults too) are taught the Faith appertaining to Easter.
  • Why do some refer to Easter as Easter and others use Lent or Pentecost and what is the significance of each?
  • Why do we put ash on our forehead?
  • Where do the ashes come from?
  • When do I wash the Ashes off my face?
  • What is Fat Tuesday?
  • What is Pentecost?
  • What is the significances of the 40 weekdays before Easter?
  • Why is Lent observed in only some Christian Churches?
  • When Does Lent End?
  • Why is the 40 Day season of repentance, fasting and abstinence before Easter called Lent?
  • Why is Lent 40 Days Long?
  • What is the difference between the Lenten fasting and Lenten abstinence?
  • Do we Fast or abstain on Sundays during Lent?
  • Ashes
  • Giving something up
  • Scrutinies: Examining our lives
  • Scrutinies and Penance
  • Prayer, fasting and almsgiving
  • Stations of the Cross
  • Blessed palms
(source)
 

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Wilhelmina in Post #28 on Page 3:
Pedrito, do those who have Lent in their lives not give glory to God?

Pedrito would suggest no more so than those who do not.

And in the light of “To obey is better than sacrifice” (1 Samuel 15:22), would it not seem that those who choose to obey Jesus’ command regarding the commemoration of His atoning death, could actually be glorifying God more than those who do not?

In God’s eyes, anyway.
 

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Should I be puzzled?

Should Readers be puzzled?

(Readers will notice that I have waited for Lent to come around again, to follow up on a few things.)

(Readers will also notice that I was using “Pedrito” instead of “I” at the time (to shield myself from contrived personal attacks).)

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Post #37 on Page 4 (Lämmchen): “It could be that you are unaware that the early Christians had communion every Lord's day which would be Sunday...that would be weekly. There are references from various sources if you need them?

Me, Post #38, same page:
Pedrito is definitely open to reviewing the sources mentioned by Lämmchen” – thus expressing openness to consider information offered.

Me again, Post #38, same page:
However, for balance, Pedrito requests that Lämmchen also provide sources showing that there were early Christians who were obeying the direct command that Jesus gave at the “Last Supper.”” – a simple, straightforward request that Lämmchen acknowledge the fact that historical evidence exists showing that there were “early Christians” that were observing the original, annual 14th Nisan commemoration, as personally instructed by Jesus.

Me yet again, Post #38, same page:
Pedrito also requests, once again for balance, this time to home in on apostolic practice, that Lämmchen provide all the Scripture references pertinent to the issue under consideration. There shouldn’t be a burdensome number.” – another simple, straightforward request, this time that Lämmchen acknowledge all the Inspired Scripture statements relevant to the matter – that matter being the breaking of bread being unequivocally equated with “communion every Lord's day”.

Readers are now asked to consider how I could have worded the requests to make them any clearer.

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What was the response to those two requests?

Post #39 on Page 4: “Could you elaborate on your criteria for the last two things please? I have a feeling you're too legalistic in the wrong areas concerning the Lord's Supper and not realizing the Gospel part that is there.

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(There is a general principle that Readers probably have noticed, and definitely will notice, in various Christian forums. Evasive tactics are consistently employed to avoid acknowledging evidence that would tend to throw unwanted light upon a person’s or an organisation’s chosen stance. However, that evasion actually highlights that the person perpetrating that evasion knows that their emotionally important stance cannot stand up to scrutiny – that person knows that their position is weak.)

The author of Post #39 has the opportunity to avoid being inappropriately placed in the eyes of others, into that category (along with the organisation that that author belongs to) – by simply providing the information requested in Post #38.

So Pedrito repeats the requests.

And he thanks that author in advance once again.
 

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Lent season is ended. It is Easter season now.
 

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In the Eastern Orthodox Church, too?
I know they have a slightly different holiday calendar.
 

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In the Eastern Orthodox Church, too?
I know they have a slightly different holiday calendar.

April 8 was the EO Easter so they too are in the Easter season.
 

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For Pedrito, Lent has never lent any particular motivation for observance.

Perhaps that is because Pedrito has always leant towards apostolic practice, as revealed in the Holy Writings.

ME wantum BE like Pedrito!! :)

Arsenios
 

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In the Eastern Orthodox Church, too?
I know they have a slightly different holiday calendar.

We begin with the week of Meat Fare, feasting on meats with no fasting through Sunday, then no more meat, but cheese and eggs and dairy the second week, followed by Clean week, which is the official first week of the Lenten Fast - On this week we do 2 Pre-sanctified Liturgies, and are allowed 2 small lenten soup meals, one following each of the two Liturgies, plus water, for the Mon-Fri following Cheese Fare Sunday... This to let our stomachs know and understand Who rules whom... The week-end begins the normal Lenten Fast, which is two small vegan meals a day, and these preferably raw foods, cooked grains, but raw fruits and vegetables... This is a 40 day fast, beginning Clean Week, and ends with the beginning of Holy Week... There are 1-3 feast days that permit fish during the 40... We can eat non-backbone flesh if we wish - Shrimp and octopus and crawdads... Worms are doubtless permitted, but I have never seen anyone out eating them with the robins... Mind you!

Holy Week is strict fast, with Thursday being no food at all...

This is all what is prescribed by the Ekklesia, and has been for 2000 years... But many are more strict than this, and most are less so, for we remember that the Fast is for man, and not man for the Fast... Some nibble throughout the day instead of the two small vegan meals... Some ignore the fast entirely... But the vigil against sin is the defining feature of the Fast of Lent... We refrain from sin... Married couples refrain from marital relations which is prescribed... Though some do not...

We are now in the Paschal Season for 40 days following Pascha itself... The first week being fast-free, following the huge feast of Pascha Sunday breaking the Fast...

Old-Time Christianity 101 - Prayer and Fasting and voluntary Obedience -
The fundamentals of "blocking and tackling" in the Christian Faith...

Arsenios
 
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