Catholic Church definition of the canonical scriptures.

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The Canon of Scripture

It was by the apostolic Tradition that the Church discerned which writings are to be included in the list of the sacred books.

This complete list is called the canon of Scripture. It includes 46 books for the Old Testament (45 if we count Jeremiah and Lamentations as one) and 27 for the New.

The Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, 1 and 2 Samuel, 1 and 2 Kings, 1 and 2 Chronicles, Ezra and Nehemiah, Tobit, Judith, Esther, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Songs, the Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (Ecclesiasticus), Isaiah, Jeremiah, Lamentations, Baruch, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Amos, Obadiah, Jonah, Micah, Nahum, Habakkuk, Zephaniah, Haggai, Zachariah and Malachi.

The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse).

The Old Testament

The Old Testament is an indispensable part of Sacred Scripture. Its books are divinely inspired and retain a permanent value, for the Old Covenant has never been revoked.

Indeed, "the economy of the Old Testament was deliberately SO oriented that it should prepare for and declare in prophecy the coming of Christ, redeemer of all men." "Even though they contain matters imperfect and provisional, The books of the OldTestament bear witness to the whole divine pedagogy of God's saving love: these writings "are a storehouse of sublime teaching on God and of sound wisdom on human life, as well as a wonderful treasury of prayers; in them, too, the mystery of our salvation is present in a hidden way."

Christians venerate the Old Testament as the true Word of God. the Church has always vigorously opposed the idea of rejecting the Old Testament under the pretext that the New has rendered it void (Marcionism).

The New Testament

"The Word of God, which is the power of God for salvation to everyone who has faith, is set forth and displays its power in a most wonderful way in the writings of the New Testament" which hand on the ultimate truth of God's Revelation. Their central object is Jesus Christ, God's incarnate Son: his acts, teachings, Passion and glorification, and his Church's beginnings under the Spirit's guidance.

The Gospels are the heart of all the Scriptures "because they are our principal source for the life and teaching of the Incarnate Word, our Saviour".

We can distinguish three stages in the formation of the Gospels:
1. the life and teaching of Jesus. the Church holds firmly that the four Gospels, "whose historicity she unhesitatingly affirms, faithfully hand on what Jesus, the Son of God, while he lived among men, really did and taught for their eternal salvation, until the day when he was taken up."​
2. the oral tradition. "For, after the ascension of the Lord, the apostles handed on to their hearers what he had said and done, but with that fuller understanding which they, instructed by the glorious events of Christ and enlightened by the Spirit of truth, now enjoyed."​
3. the written Gospels. "The sacred authors, in writing the four Gospels, selected certain of the many elements which had been handed on, either orally or already in written form; others they synthesized or explained with an eye to the situation of the churches, the while sustaining the form of preaching, but always in such a fashion that they have told us the honest truth about Jesus."​
 

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Your Roman list is incomplete and deceptive.

In the Book of Esther Rome has also added apocryphal writings and deceptively weaved them throughout the book.

In the Book of Daniel, Rome has done the same thing, adding the apocryphal books of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon.

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Your Roman list is incomplete
It isn't my Roman list, it isn't especially Roman. It is the list of North Africa and of Rome. It contains all of the books that Catholics accept as inspired holy scripture. It is based on the contents of the LXX manuscripts available at the time and some of them are still available today.
 

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Yup. And I don't know anyone who suggests that a denomination (individually, singularly, itself alone for itself alone) can't determine what IT will embrace as inerrant, fully canonical, inscripturated words of God... and also determine if they are all equal in every sense. Yup. A denomination can pretty much do what it wants. Rarely does any law prevent that.

Yours did this at it's own meeting at Florence in the 15th Century (although the status of that is controversal) and at another meeting of it itself at Trent on 1546 (some say because the meeting at Florence wasn't authoritative or determinate). Okay. It itself alone determined something for it itself alone. No other church on the planet agrees with it itself on this (or ever has), but that's hardly unique (there are a LOT of things where your denomination stands all alone).

The Church of England did the same with its adoption of the Thirty-Nine Articles, also in the 16th Century. It's a different determation than what your denomination did, but that's okay. It itself (alone) determined this for it itself (alone). The Reformed/Calvinists did something similar with the adoption of the Westminister Confession although while it embraces 66, Reformed Christians note it actually said nothing about possible Apocryphal books, only that 66 are fully canonical. The LDS did this too in the 19th Century. Individual denominations not infrequently determine things for itself.

None of that confirms the claims made in these threads.... We know what your individual, singular denomination did for it itself alone... and what the Anglican Church did, what the LDS Church did... but that doesn't mean the CHRISTIANITY did it. It doesn't support numerous claims made on this topic.




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No, it is your Roman list. Which I said, is very deceptive. You try and weave in spurious writings in the Book of Esther and Daniel, and don't want to tell anyone. Which is why they are not listed in your 'Roman' list.

All one has to do is obtain a Roman Bible and see for yourself.

Catholic? I am Catholic. I am part of the universal Church of Jesus Christ. But I am not 'Roman'. See? You pervert the word 'Catholic' and identify it as 'Roman'.

Deception.

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No, it is your Roman list. Which I said, is very deceptive. You try and weave in spurious writings in the Book of Esther and Daniel, and don't want to tell anyone. Which is why they are not listed in your 'Roman' list.

All one has to do is obtain a Roman Bible and see for yourself.

Catholic? I am Catholic. I am part of the universal Church of Jesus Christ. But I am not 'Roman'. See? You pervert the word 'Catholic' and identify it as 'Roman'.

Deception.

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What is your New Testament canon of scripture?
 

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What is your New Testament canon of scripture?
The New Testament: the Gospels according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the Acts of the Apostles, the Letters of St. Paul to the Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, the Letter to the Hebrews, the Letters of James, 1 and 2 Peter, 1, 2 and 3 John, and Jude, and Revelation (the Apocalypse).
 

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What is your New Testament canon of scripture?

The 27 books of the New Testament. And what is your point?

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The 27 books of the New Testament. And what is your point?

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Just wondering if you accept the RCC canon of the NT
 

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And now, back to the topic.
The Catholic Church's definition of the canon of holy scripture.
Which is, of course, the same as the 73 book table of contents in the ESV-CE.
 

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Pick any word I like? Really?

Why do you not want to admit, confess, what the 'R' means in RCC? Your avoidance speaks volumes.

Again, what does the 'R' mean in RCC?

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Your Roman list is incomplete and deceptive.

In the Book of Esther Rome has also added apocryphal writings and deceptively weaved them throughout the book.

In the Book of Daniel, Rome has done the same thing, adding the apocryphal books of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon.

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What if Rome didn’t add those passages? What if the Jews removed them?
 

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What if Rome didn’t add those passages?
The passages were written by Jews in the centuries before Christ was born. I am confident that no Romans wrote any of them :)
 

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Your Roman list is incomplete and deceptive.

In the Book of Esther Rome has also added apocryphal writings and deceptively weaved them throughout the book.

In the Book of Daniel, Rome has done the same thing, adding the apocryphal books of Susanna and Bel and the Dragon.

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What is "deception"? (Lees only, please)
 
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