500th Anniversary of the Reformation (Luther)

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2017 marks the 500th Anniverary of the Reformation. It's a year-long celebration! I (and I hope other Protestants) will be starting threads on this throughout the year, and I begin with this very general introduction:


It began on November 10, 1483 in the small German village of Eisleben. Martin was born to Hans and Margaretta Luther – middle class but hard working people. There was nothing unusual about his childhood, it was typical of German families of the time, but the middle class status of his parents permitted a good education and encouraged him to enter the professions, in Martin’s case, it was law. Luther was an outstanding student, earning his BA in 1502 and MA in 1505.

Luther’s family and society were deeply religious. The church was the focal point of society. Yet common religion was often a strange mixture of biblical and non-biblical ideas, mixed generously with paganism, secular philosophy and local traditions. Luther found this religion to be disturbing rather than comforting.

In 1505, as Luther was returning to Law school, he was nearly struck by a bolt of lightening, which he interpreted as the wrath of God. In terror, he cried out to his father’s saint and pledged to become a Roman Catholic monk. It was a pledge he kept. Twelve days later, he abandoned his life’s plans and entered the Cloister of St. Augustine – an especially strict order. Three times Luther fasted nearly to the point of death, yet each time he cried out to Heaven, “Have I done enough?” His health permanently damaged, he was transferred from the monastery to the University of Wittenberg where he was to both study and teach the Bible. The Word now totally absorbed his life. He earned his doctorate in the Bible and Biblical Languages 1512. As he studied the Bible, he learned that salvation does not come from what we do for God but from what God did for us in Jesus Christ. He learned that ours is not an angry God who “keeps score” but a gracious, merciful God who pours out his unconditional love to us.

Luther came to the conclusion that some of the teachings and practices of the church were not in keeping with God’s Word and therefore needed to be discussed. Therefore, on October 31, 1517 (a day remembered ever since as “Reformation Day”) Luther posted 95 Theses (statements for discussion) on the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg (church doors serving as community bulletin boards in those days). This date is now considered the birthday of the Lutheran Church. Written in Latin and intended only for scholarly debate, they proved to be the floodgate for the entire Evangelical (from the word “gospel”) movement. Luther is thus the “Father of Protestantism.”

Within a year, Luther was the talk of Europe. Although Luther said nothing new and did not want to break with Rome, he and those who agreed with him were excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church (today marks the 496th anniversary of Pope Leo's splitting of his denomination). Luther studied Scripture all the more. He soon wrote several short booklets that were translated into several languages and made widely available by means of a new invention – the printing press.

In the late 1520’s, Luther translated the Bible from the original Greek and Hebrew (he was a well-known scholar in both of those languages) into German so that the people could read the Bible. He encouraged worship in the language of the people and personally wrote many hymns. He also wrote a catechism for parents to use in the religious training of their children. In the 1530’s and 1540’s, the movement grew throughout most of northern Europe. Perhaps one-third of Christians converted to Lutheranism. Luther died on February 18, 1546 in his birthplace of Eisleben.

Luther had an enormous impact on the church, placing the Bible again as the source and norm for the church and proclaiming again the gospel of salvation by grace through faith in Christ. Today, the oldest and largest Protestant religious community in the world (3rd largest in America) bears his name. Yet his importance goes beyond that. His emphasis on the teaching and preaching of God’s Word forever changed Christianity. His emphasis on music and lay participation forever changed the worship service. His emphasis on Bible reading and teaching laid the foundations for Christian education. He was proclaimed the “Third Most Influential Person” of the last Millennium.

We are thankful for this gift of Martin Luther and pray that the Good News, so dear to him, may always be at the center of the church.



- Josiah
 

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The Reformation also brought about chorales!
 

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Ah, a former protestant turned Catholic with his view on the Reformation. I watched the first few minutes where he seemed to regret learning about the Bible as a youngster instead of history. Right there is a problem.
 

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Ah, a former protestant turned Catholic with his view on the Reformation. I watched the first few minutes where he seemed to regret learning about the Bible as a youngster instead of history. Right there is a problem.

He was a Protestant some time ago, a Presbyterian minister I think. But if you stopped after the first few minutes then you did not hear what he said about the holy scriptures in the rest of the presentation.
 

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He was a Protestant some time ago, a Presbyterian minister I think. But if you stopped after the first few minutes then you did not hear what he said about the holy scriptures in the rest of the presentation.
Why would you need to watch more if learning about the bible as a child bothered him so?
 

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Why would you need to watch more if learning about the bible as a child bothered him so?

hehe that would stop me from continuing too, ya know!
 

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He was a Protestant some time ago, a Presbyterian minister I think. But if you stopped after the first few minutes then you did not hear what he said about the holy scriptures in the rest of the presentation.

He didn't appreciate his upbringing of having God's word presented to him as a child. Why would I appreciate his opinions after that has been revealed?
 

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The problem people have with the Bible is they do not want to DO what the Bible says do. My pastor Quotes this verse a lot
John 12:43
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
 

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He didn't appreciate his upbringing of having God's word presented to him as a child. Why would I appreciate his opinions after that has been revealed?

Could he not say of you that you accepted human traditions and are now unprepared to hear anything else because you love the traditions of your denomination more than you love the truth? Surely hearing another view is necessary before one can say that it is wrong?
 

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Could he not say of you that you accepted human traditions and are now unprepared to hear anything else because you love the traditions of your denomination more than you love the truth? Surely hearing another view is necessary before one can say that it is wrong?
Yup we have heard yours or should I say your churchs and we have pointed out what is lacking scripturally yet you refuse to acknowledge the errors so I dont think you can preach that message very effectively
 

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Yup we have heard yours or should I say your churchs and we have pointed out what is lacking scripturally yet you refuse to acknowledge the errors so I dont think you can preach that message very effectively

If it pleases you to pretend that what the Catholic Church teaches is merely human opinions and what you personally and privately as an individual decide the holy scriptures teach is to be preferred because you thought it up then have at it. The absurdity of such reasoning ought to be obvious. The scriptures warn the faithful that And all those who willingly live the piety in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil men and deceivers will advance in evil, erring and sending into error. 2 Timothy 3:12-13 So I will not be following your interpretations unless they coincide with the teaching of the Catholic Church.
 

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God's word is far above any human tradition. If we don't appreciate hearing His word then we're in big trouble.
 
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God's word is far above any human tradition. If we don't appreciate hearing His word then we're in big trouble.

Everybody agrees that the traditions of men are not on the same level as divine revelation however apostolic tradition is revelation from God.
 

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Everybody agrees that the traditions of men are not on the same level as divine revelation however apostolic tradition is revelation from God.

No, not all agree with that. Of course, there is no objective corpus of this "Apostolic Tradition" - it's all made up. And the 3 Denominations that go on and on and on and on about all this invisible "stuff" the 13 Apostles believed and taught as dogma are in disagreement with each other - the RCC, EOC and LDS all foundationally CLAIM each (somehow) just KNOWS what these 13 men taught but the Holy Spirit in His Divine wisdom chose not to include in His written Scriptures to the church - but what these 3 denominations "know" is different, in conflict..... they've all pretty much excommunicated each other, condemned each other.... and NONE of them to date has produced even one word, not even one letter, from even one Apostle confirming that these 13 men taught even one of the unique Dogmas that these 3 denominations teach. It's just an entirely, completely UNSUBSTANTIATED, unhistorical, baseless CLAIM - a way to get around the accountability and substantiation they each insist for ALL but self alone.



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The problem people have with the Bible is they do not want to DO what the Bible says do. My pastor Quotes this verse a lot
John 12:43
For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

Don't you think the Reformation was an aid in praising God in a more biblical way than what it was brought on by the Catholic church at the time and hundreds of years before?
 

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No, not all agree with that.

That is true and it is also true that not all agree that Jesus is saviour of the world and that Jesus is God but I am not going to cease from proclaiming that Jesus is God and that Jesus is saviour of the world because some disagree about that. Similarly I am not going to cease proclaiming apostolic tradition as divine revelation because some disagree with it.

Of course, there is no objective corpus of this "Apostolic Tradition" - it's all made up.

The above is a profoundly prejudicial and profoundly ignorant comment. The bishops and the Church know exactly what apostolic tradition is and they safeguard it as the Spirit enables.

And the 3 Denominations that go on and on and on and on about all this invisible "stuff" the 13 Apostles believed and taught as dogma are in disagreement with each other - the RCC, EOC and LDS all foundationally CLAIM each (somehow) just KNOWS what these 13 men taught but the Holy Spirit in His Divine wisdom chose not to include in His written Scriptures to the church - but what these 3 denominations "know" is different, in conflict..... they've all pretty much excommunicated each other, condemned each other.... and NONE of them to date has produced even one word, not even one letter, from even one Apostle confirming that these 13 men taught even one of the unique Dogmas that these 3 denominations teach. It's just an entirely, completely UNSUBSTANTIATED, unhistorical, baseless CLAIM - a way to get around the accountability and substantiation they each insist for ALL but self alone.
- Josiah
 

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Josiah said:


Of course, there is no objective corpus of this "Apostolic Tradition" - it's all made up. And the 3 Denominations that go on and on and on and on about all this invisible "stuff" the 13 Apostles believed and taught as dogma are in disagreement with each other - the RCC, EOC and LDS all foundationally CLAIM each (somehow) just KNOWS what these 13 men taught but the Holy Spirit in His Divine wisdom chose not to include in His written Scriptures to the church - but what these 3 denominations "know" is different, in conflict..... they've all pretty much excommunicated each other, condemned each other.... and NONE of them to date has produced even one word, not even one letter, from even one Apostle confirming that these 13 men taught even one of the unique Dogmas that these 3 denominations teach. It's just an entirely, completely UNSUBSTANTIATED, unhistorical, baseless CLAIM - a way to get around the accountability and substantiation they each insist for ALL but self alone.



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The above is a profoundly ignorant comment.


No, it is a historical fact. In many centuries, your individual denomination has not been able to quote ANY of the 13 Apostles affirming ANYTHING - not one word, not one letter - of ANYTHING outside the Bible that the RCC claims they taught as dogma. Nor has the EOC and LDS. Nothing. You know it, I know it - everyone knows it. If you had even ONE word from St. Paul or St. Matthew or St. Thomas from outside the NT .... anything that states that ANY of the Apostles believed or taught or had even heard of the unique Dogmas of the RCC or EOC or LDS - you would have shared it. Or at least someone would have during the past 1000 years. NO ONE has because NO ONE can - there is nothing. Not a word. Not a letter.

All the claims that the 13 Apostles taught some new, distinctive, unique Dogma that the RCC or EOC or LDS teaches but the Holy Spirit in His Divine wisdom chose to exclude ANY mention of such in His Holy Scriptures to the church but SOMEHOW.... the RCC or EOC or LDS eventually (maybe many centuries later) somehow found out anyway and eventually (maybe centuries later) decides to disclose it - it's all a sham. It's baseless. You have NOTHING to indicate that ANY Apostle tuaght such - as dogma or as heresy or as anything.... NOTHING that indicates that even ONE of them had even HEARD of it. Nothing. Proof? If you had something, someone during the last 1000 years would have provided the quote from one (or more) of them. No one has. No one can. We all know why.



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OPENING POST.....


2017 marks the 500th Anniverary of the Reformation. It's a year-long celebration! I (and I hope other Protestants) will be starting threads on this throughout the year, and I begin with this very general introduction:


It began on November 10, 1483 in the small German village of Eisleben. Martin was born to Hans and Margaretta Luther – middle class but hard working people. There was nothing unusual about his childhood, it was typical of German families of the time, but the middle class status of his parents permitted a good education and encouraged him to enter the professions, in Martin’s case, it was law. Luther was an outstanding student, earning his BA in 1502 and MA in 1505.

Luther’s family and society were deeply religious. The church was the focal point of society. Yet common religion was often a strange mixture of biblical and non-biblical ideas, mixed generously with paganism, secular philosophy and local traditions. Luther found this religion to be disturbing rather than comforting.

In 1505, as Luther was returning to Law school, he was nearly struck by a bolt of lightening, which he interpreted as the wrath of God. In terror, he cried out to his father’s saint and pledged to become a Roman Catholic monk. It was a pledge he kept. Twelve days later, he abandoned his life’s plans and entered the Cloister of St. Augustine – an especially strict order. Three times Luther fasted nearly to the point of death, yet each time he cried out to Heaven, “Have I done enough?” His health permanently damaged, he was transferred from the monastery to the University of Wittenberg where he was to both study and teach the Bible. The Word now totally absorbed his life. He earned his doctorate in the Bible and Biblical Languages 1512. As he studied the Bible, he learned that salvation does not come from what we do for God but from what God did for us in Jesus Christ. He learned that ours is not an angry God who “keeps score” but a gracious, merciful God who pours out his unconditional love to us.

Luther came to the conclusion that some of the teachings and practices of the church were not in keeping with God’s Word and therefore needed to be discussed. Therefore, on October 31, 1517 (a day remembered ever since as “Reformation Day”) Luther posted 95 Theses (statements for discussion) on the door of the Castle Church in Wittenberg (church doors serving as community bulletin boards in those days). This date is now considered the birthday of the Lutheran Church. Written in Latin and intended only for scholarly debate, they proved to be the floodgate for the entire Evangelical (from the word “gospel”) movement. Luther is thus the “Father of Protestantism.”

Within a year, Luther was the talk of Europe. Although Luther said nothing new and did not want to break with Rome, he and those who agreed with him were excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church (today marks the 496th anniversary of Pope Leo's splitting of his denomination). Luther studied Scripture all the more. He soon wrote several short booklets that were translated into several languages and made widely available by means of a new invention – the printing press.

In the late 1520’s, Luther translated the Bible from the original Greek and Hebrew (he was a well-known scholar in both of those languages) into German so that the people could read the Bible. He encouraged worship in the language of the people and personally wrote many hymns. He also wrote a catechism for parents to use in the religious training of their children. In the 1530’s and 1540’s, the movement grew throughout most of northern Europe. Perhaps one-third of Christians converted to Lutheranism. Luther died on February 18, 1546 in his birthplace of Eisleben.

Luther had an enormous impact on the church, placing the Bible again as the source and norm for the church and proclaiming again the gospel of salvation by grace through faith in Christ. Today, the oldest and largest Protestant religious community in the world (3rd largest in America) bears his name. Yet his importance goes beyond that. His emphasis on the teaching and preaching of God’s Word forever changed Christianity. His emphasis on music and lay participation forever changed the worship service. His emphasis on Bible reading and teaching laid the foundations for Christian education. He was proclaimed the “Third Most Influential Person” of the last Millennium.

We are thankful for this gift of Martin Luther and pray that the Good News, so dear to him, may always be at the center of the church.



- Josiah



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OPENING POST.....






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Three times Luther fasted nearly to the point of death, yet each time he cried out to Heaven, “Have I done enough?”


We still hear this from Christians wondering if they've done enough to get to heaven :(
 
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