The actual Body and Blood, or just symbolic?

[Forgiven1]

Real presence here.

 

[Truth7t7]

How do you view the act of Communion? Is it symbolic of what happened at the Last Supper, or do you believe in it transforming into the actual Body and Blood of Christ?

100% symbolic, the very fact that many catholic priests have received drunk driving charges after masses, a no Brainer its "Real Alcohol"

DailyMail.com​

Unholy excuse: Priest found over drink-drive limit blamed too much Communion wine​

The 41-year-old priest, identified only as Father Maurizio, was stopped by traffic police on a routine patrol on a motorway on the outskirts of Milan as he headed home.

His licence was immediately suspended after the reading showed him to have a alcohol/breath level of 0.8 when the legal limit in Italy is 0.5 but not before he had given officers his unholy excuse.

A spokesman for the city's traffic police said: 'The breath test showed that he was over the limit but he insisted he had not been drinking - apart from Communion wine which he had drunk at four Masses that day.

 

[Lamb]

100% symbolic, the very fact that many catholic priests have received drunk driving charges after masses, a no Brainer its "Real Alcohol"

DailyMail.com​

Unholy excuse: Priest found over drink-drive limit blamed too much Communion wine​

The 41-year-old priest, identified only as Father Maurizio, was stopped by traffic police on a routine patrol on a motorway on the outskirts of Milan as he headed home.

His licence was immediately suspended after the reading showed him to have a alcohol/breath level of 0.8 when the legal limit in Italy is 0.5 but not before he had given officers his unholy excuse.

A spokesman for the city's traffic police said: 'The breath test showed that he was over the limit but he insisted he had not been drinking - apart from Communion wine which he had drunk at four Masses that day.

The wine becomes the blood, but the wine still has the appearance of wine, which means the alcohol is also still there.

 

[Edward429451]

100% symbolic, the very fact that many catholic priests have received drunk driving charges after masses, a no Brainer its "Real Alcohol"

Many times I use a shot glass for my wine for Communion. I'm prepared to do it every day because I keep a bottle of red wine just for communion, and I ordered a lot of host wafers (for just in case a lot of people show up). I don't take communion every day but I do a lot.

Over time, I have realized that Communion is sort of symbolic to us, BUT! When we partake of Communion in the natural realm it can only be symbolic, however...what happens in the spiritual realm? Can you tell me the spiritual significance of Communion? I can not, but I understand it to be powerful in the spiritual realm.

We are in the natural realm and enter into "Holy Communion" with the Lord. It is quiet or perhaps a soft hymn music playing praising God, and we are to come into Christ. Be filled with His Spirit. It's sort of like tuning your spirit's frequency to the Lord's exact frequency and this done in the natural creates profound reactions in the spiritual realm.

 

[Truth7t7]

The wine becomes the blood, but the wine still has the appearance of wine, which means the alcohol is also still there.

The wine remains wine, and the bread remains bread, it's all "Symbolic", the Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation is a "False" teaching IMHO

Take a close look at your claim, you state the wine becomes the actual blood of Jesus, and in the same breath you state it still has alcohol, reality check

 

[Edward429451]

The wine remains wine, and the bread remains bread, it's all "Symbolic", the Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation is a "False" teaching IMHO

Take a close look at your claim, you state the wine becomes the actual blood of Jesus, and in the same breath you state it still has alcohol, reality check

That's the thing though. We have realty as the material realm and everything is about our 5 senses because that is all we can see.
Then there is the unseen, and scripture says that

2nd Corinthians 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal..../KJV

Temporal means the material realm. Eternal mean the Spiritual Realm. which we can not see (normally) and yet the Lord says to look to the unseen.

I think that everything on earth is shadows of what is in heaven in the spiritual realm. As above, so below. On earth as it is in heaven. The best way to look to the unseen (Poking it with a stick, lol) is by faith. What you do is most days, people are presented with problems and difficulties, normal life. So when something comes up you simply, in faith, let the Lord handle it. This is "stepping out" in faith. When we step out in faith with a pure heart, Jesus will respond to that. The ball is in His court now and He reacts because, That's What He Does... And you go from there.

I have a bunch of testimonies when I have done this, and been blessed.
One day it was the last Stimulus Check time, and I went out and spent all of it on things that I normally could not afford. I was very close with the Lord at that time and I got home that evening after spending every last dime of that stimulus check and came home to warm wet carpet in the basement. I had enough money this morning to buy a water heater! I was close to Lord...Why didn't he warn me? And I started laughing because I knew He must have a reason! So I prayed, Lord I don't know what you are doing here but I am going to watch what you do, because I cant buy a water heater now, I don't have the money. It was 5 1/3 years old so it was barely out of warranty, of course! I thought worse case scenario I go one month without hot water. Then short a couple bills and buy me new water heater. But I gave it to the Lord and had a good spirit about it. In faith in Him. And the next day I called about the same exact model number so it would require minimal material to install it and poor man saves money. As it turned put this happens to be the only unit on the market with a 6 year warranty. So instead of barely out of warranty, it was barely still in warranty. It didnt cost me one dime to change that water heater out. The Lord was testing me and I passed!

Another time, I had company call and he was on his way over to visit. I went up for a cup of coffee and realized I was on my last pot! I immediately thought about praying about it and being self-employed Lord send me some work! It was my slow season and I was broke. But before I prayed, I thought about the scripture that says, don't worry about what you will eat or drink, or wear because He knows our needs (Matthew 6:25-34) and I thought about that then concluded, I don't have to pray about Lord I'm out of coffee and company is on the way, lol. So I didn't say the prayer.

You know what happened? When my company knocked on the door it was 30 minutes since I decided not to say that prayer. Scripture says we don't have to, right? My friend knocked on the door. I opened it, and first thing, his hand comes up towards me...
He was holding a 2 pound bag of gourmet coffee beans! Within 30 minutes of not praying!! So what happened then? What does that mean? I didn't tell my friend that I was out of coffee. I didn't know until after we hung up.

What happened was, I (accidently, lol) stood on the truth of the Word of God in faith because I believed the Word so didn't say the prayer! I stood on the word and had more coffee in less than 30 minutes knocking at my door...!!! My friend got used by the Lord to bring me some coffee because I thought about praying abut it but stood on His word instead! I guess God put the urge into my friend to take Ed some coffee as a gift!

I think that's about as cool as it gets. That's a huge coincidence. I had just poured the very last cup, so it was time to put on another pot. He had it. He says, hey Ed I know you like coffee so I brought you some. Scripture says there's no such thing as coincidences!

I think it is a two way thing. We are in the material realm and we do things for the Lord, whatever we can. Obey, pray, study, do good unto unto others, and even fast at times. We deny ourselves in the material realm by fasting and give it to the Lord in spirit realm and we don't know what effect it has there, but I have heard that our Prayers go up like Incense, but all of it is a two way street I think. We obey God so He blesses us here and in the hereafter, and when we obey and pray/fast/good works helping people, obeying God in General, we don't really know how our actions effect the spiritual realm. I surmise that some things effect the spiritual realm in profound ways. We just can't see it! Have Faith He says! Ok, I will have Faith!

 

[Lamb]

The wine remains wine, and the bread remains bread, it's all "Symbolic", the Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation is a "False" teaching IMHO

Take a close look at your claim, you state the wine becomes the actual blood of Jesus, and in the same breath you state it still has alcohol, reality check

So you don't think God can do miracles and both can be at the same time? Do you believe that God said Let there be light and there was light? Why can't you believe that when Jesus said that the bread is His body that it's His body? Why can't you believe the wine is His blood? And yet both are bread and wine?

 

[Truth7t7]

So you don't think God can do miracles and both can be at the same time? Do you believe that God said Let there be light and there was light? Why can't you believe that when Jesus said that the bread is His body that it's His body? Why can't you believe the wine is His blood? And yet both are bread and wine?

I believe the Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation is a "False" teaching

 

[Frankj]

I believe the Roman Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation is a "False" teaching

What leads you to that belief?

(Just curious, I'm not taking a position here)

 

[Truth7t7]

What leads you to that belief?

(Just curious, I'm not taking a position here)

Once Again

The very fact that many catholic priests have received drunk driving charges after masses, a no Brainer its "Real Alcohol" and not the actual blood of Jesus Christ as Roman Catholicism falsely teaches, reality check

DailyMail.com​

Unholy excuse: Priest found over drink-drive limit blamed too much Communion wine​

The 41-year-old priest, identified only as Father Maurizio, was stopped by traffic police on a routine patrol on a motorway on the outskirts of Milan as he headed home.

His licence was immediately suspended after the reading showed him to have a alcohol/breath level of 0.8 when the legal limit in Italy is 0.5 but not before he had given officers his unholy excuse.

A spokesman for the city's traffic police said: 'The breath test showed that he was over the limit but he insisted he had not been drinking - apart from Communion wine which he had drunk at four Masses that day.

 

[Lamb]

Once Again

The very fact that many catholic priests have received drunk driving charges after masses, a no Brainer its "Real Alcohol" and not the actual blood of Jesus Christ as Roman Catholicism falsely teaches, reality check

DailyMail.com​

Unholy excuse: Priest found over drink-drive limit blamed too much Communion wine​

The 41-year-old priest, identified only as Father Maurizio, was stopped by traffic police on a routine patrol on a motorway on the outskirts of Milan as he headed home.

His licence was immediately suspended after the reading showed him to have a alcohol/breath level of 0.8 when the legal limit in Italy is 0.5 but not before he had given officers his unholy excuse.

A spokesman for the city's traffic police said: 'The breath test showed that he was over the limit but he insisted he had not been drinking - apart from Communion wine which he had drunk at four Masses that day.

Like I said, the alcohol is still there...with Christ's blood.

 

[Truth7t7]

Like I said, the alcohol is still there...with Christ's blood.

I Disagree, it's nothing more than wine that contains alcohol as seen in the Roman catholic mass

 

[Edward429451]

Like I said, the alcohol is still there...with Christ's blood.

It does have alcohol in it when we partake of Communion in the material realm. But if it has some sort of effect in the spiritual realm, I doubt the alcohol crosser over, lol.

I bought a shot glass when I started having Communion at home. Communion isnt like pouring yourself a glass of wine. More like, an elixir of sorts? So a shot glass is fine. And no drunkie drunkie, lol.

 

[Lamb]

It does have alcohol in it when we partake of Communion in the material realm. But if it has some sort of effect in the spiritual realm, I doubt the alcohol crosser over, lol.

I bought a shot glass when I started having Communion at home. Communion isnt like pouring yourself a glass of wine. More like, an elixir of sorts? So a shot glass is fine. And no drunkie drunkie, lol.

Well our bodies still drink the wine...so the alcohol affects our bodies even though it's also Christ's blood in Communion. The priests, which is what the other member brought up, finishing consuming all of the wine after the congregation has finished.

 

[Edward429451]

Well our bodies still drink the wine...so the alcohol affects our bodies even though it's also Christ's blood in Communion. The priests, which is what the other member brought up, finishing consuming all of the wine after the congregation has finished.

Yep. But I've always heard that 1 1/2 oz of wine per day is good for you. Havent you ever heard that? The Priests must have known that too, lol.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well our bodies still drink the wine...so the alcohol affects our bodies even though it's also Christ's blood in Communion.

The actual blood of Jesus Christ doesn't take place in a Roman Catholic Mass, their doctrine of Transubstantiation is a "False" teaching and belief just one of "Many"

The liquid in the cup of the Roman Catholic Mass is literal wine from grapes containing alcohol, the very reason many Roman Catholic Preist's have been arrested for Drunk Driving after Mass

Thought: Jesus Blood is present at Mass that contains real alcohol, that will eventually cause a priest to be in handcuff's and imprisonment for drunk driving?

Reality Check

 

[Truth7t7]

Well our bodies still drink the wine...so the alcohol affects our bodies even though it's also Christ's blood in Communion. The priests, which is what the other member brought up, finishing consuming all of the wine after the congregation has finished.

I'm new to the forums and I'm not aware of this boards ownership or back ground, is this board owned and run by Roman Catholics?

 

[Lamb]

I'm new to the forums and I'm not aware of this boards ownership or back ground, is this board owned and run by Roman Catholics?

No, why do you ask?

 

[Truth7t7]

No, why do you ask?

Just Curious, Thanks

 

[BruceLeiter]

The wine becomes the blood, but the wine still has the appearance of wine, which means the alcohol is also still there.

In all the churches I know about, they use grape juice instead of wine just for those who might have trouble with even a little bit of alcohol. I don't believe that God literally transforms the grape juice into Jesus' blood. He was speaking figuratively about spiritual reality in John 6, just as he did with all of his "I am" claims to say that he is truly God in the Gospel of John, thus saying, for example, that he is the God of Moses' burning bush and David's Shepherd (Psalm 23):

Jhn_6:35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst.
Jhn_6:41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.”
Jhn_6:48 I am the bread of life.
Jhn_6:51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

Jhn_8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

Jhn_8:58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Jhn_9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

Jhn_10:7 So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
Jhn_10:9 I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
Jhn_10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Jhn_10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,

Jhn_11:25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,

Jhn_14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Jhn_15:1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.
Jhn_15:5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.