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Slavery has been around since ancient biblical times and still exists in parts of Africa and and certain wealthy Muslim communities.
In Africa during the slave trade, the stronger black males enslaved the weaker, they sold their own people to Europeans.. so lets imagine if Europeans never bought them, they would STILL be enslaved in Africa right now!
In Fact, Europeans are the first in the History of the world to find it morally wrong and are the first race to ever ABOLISH slavery.
My great great grandfather came to America from Germany, he never owned a slave.. Am I exempt from paying retributions to descendents of Africans in America? Or is is just by skin?
Another thing, a white person can be an African American if he moved her from Africa where he was born.. A Black America is not an African because he was born in America, a black man who moves to Africa is an American African...

The British freed slaves first, and then America and then Spaniards...
Europeans bought slaves as slaves from African slave masters, took them to America where they were enslaved but the domino effect of 1800s started when the European race felt that slavery was morally wrong and began setting all slaves free for the very FIRST TIME IN HISTORY..
In my opinion they should honor the history of who freed them and from who!
 

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Today's current slaves are in sex trafficking. Not much is being done about that except for some advertisements and conference groups on how to recognize the signs of someone who is being held against their will like that.

To make the country pay reparations for things we did not do, nor toward anyone who was involved, is silly. The slaves were set free after the bloodiest fight in history to help them. Wasn't that blood shed payment enough?
 

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What's curious is when the same people who insist that DACA be upheld because you can't hold a child responsible for the actual crimes of their parents then turn around and insist that whitey is responsible for the assumed crimes of his great-great-great-grandfather.
 

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I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think that the root of DACA people would care little about reparations since they wouldn't qualify. They are illegal immigrants and their family members were never slaves in the USA.
 

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As I understand it.....

Slavery in the Americas was quite unique....

Slavery existed almost universally, throughout history (including among ancient Jews) BUT this was not racially based and was not perpetual. Nearly all slaves fell into two categories: 1) Captured enemies in war. They were "given a choice" become a slave or die, most chose slavery. Many of these slaves were eventually freed either by their owners or by simply redeeming themselves. 2) Indentured slaves; people with debt they could not repay and thus became the property of the lender until the debt was repaid. Never a good thing, it was not racially based and did not pass on to one's children.

The slavery invented by Europeans in the 15th century was slavery based on being of a certain race.... and it passed on to children. This was a new invention. It was based on the idea that certain people were not persons, humans with a soul (thus they were converted to Christianity) but not totally a PERSON (the US Constitution stated Blacks were 2/3's of a person) and thus did not have rights. It was similar to today's debate over abortion - certainly the unborn is a human (NEVER is their DNA that of a cockroach or shark or butterfly) but not a PERSON and thus with no rights (not even the right to exist - a right never taken from Blacks). In both, the powerful simply could do to the less powerful as they pleased.

But all Western countries made slavery illegal in the 19th Century (I think Brazil was the last major country to do so).



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I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't think that the root of DACA people would care little about reparations since they wouldn't qualify. They are illegal immigrants and their family members were never slaves in the USA.
How long ago was slavery abolished? At what point do we stop claiming that people alive today are somehow responsible because their great-great-great-great-great-grandfather did something considered unacceptable under today's standards to someone else's great-great-great-great-great-grandfather?

Where racial bias exists it needs to be removed to the extent it's possible. Clearly you'll never get rid of the opinions that exist in some sections of all sides that their race is inherently superior to others but I can't help thinking there's a good chunk of merit in the argument that says "I never owned any slaves. You never picked any cotton. Can we move on?"

Of course for as long as a group of peopel are deprived of their agency they can be manipulated. What better way of depriving someone of their agency than by convincing them they are an eternal victim because of something that happened 150 years ago? If nothing else it keeps their focus off what's happening now.
 

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What's curious is when the same people who insist that DACA be upheld because you can't hold a child responsible for the actual crimes of their parents then turn around and insist that whitey is responsible for the assumed crimes of his great-great-great-grandfather.

How long ago was slavery abolished? At what point do we stop claiming that people alive today are somehow responsible because their great-great-great-great-great-grandfather did something considered unacceptable under today's standards to someone else's great-great-great-great-great-grandfather?
I was just commenting on DACA being concerned about reparations as was mentioned previously. Since DACA is wanting not to be blamed for past family they wouldn’t, in my opinion, care about the slave issue. It becomes muddied when different groups are thrown in together and tons of misunderstanding arise. I don't think it's the same people. I can admit, it maybe the same politicians.
 

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As I understand it.....

Slavery in the Americas was quite unique....

Slavery existed almost universally, throughout history (including among ancient Jews) BUT this was not racially based and was not perpetual. Nearly all slaves fell into two categories: 1) Captured enemies in war. They were "given a choice" become a slave or die, most chose slavery. Many of these slaves were eventually freed either by their owners or by simply redeeming themselves. 2) Indentured slaves; people with debt they could not repay and thus became the property of the lender until the debt was repaid. Never a good thing, it was not racially based and did not pass on to one's children.

The slavery invented by Europeans in the 15th century was slavery based on being of a certain race.... and it passed on to children. This was a new invention. It was based on the idea that certain people were not persons, humans with a soul (thus they were converted to Christianity) but not totally a PERSON (the US Constitution stated Blacks were 2/3's of a person) and thus did not have rights. It was similar to today's debate over abortion - certainly the unborn is a human (NEVER is their DNA that of a cockroach or shark or butterfly) but not a PERSON and thus with no rights (not even the right to exist - a right never taken from Blacks). In both, the powerful simply could do to the less powerful as they pleased.

But all Western countries made slavery illegal in the 19th Century (I think Brazil was the last major country to do so).



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True. I researched this last year about biblical slavery and found the same things.
POWs, or foreigners would serve 7 years of slavery to become citizens and yes people could volunteer or to pay off debts.

About the race thing however, Africa was a slave market so it's not like that had a wide variety or mix of races.. right?
 

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All races are enslaved somewhere in the world today.
 
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