- Mar 16, 2021
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I have to disagree. Some do, but many do not.
The fringe, cultic types of course tend to go in for that kind of thing.
I've never heard it said. Nor would it seem likely, since the Church of England does not consider itself to be the "one true church" or the unique choice of Jesus Christ.
I couldn't say, but we still would be nowhere near justifying a claim that "all churches make similar statements," even if all of these churches that you've named did so.
Well, most of all, I think we're getting way off track
Greenscapular, I agree that Christians generally tend to believe THEIR decisions are HIS decision (a decision made with MUCH prayer and after careful discussion), especially when they are group/church decisions. I suspect that belief is (at times anyway) ... questionable.
That said (and meant, LOL).... Albion has a point. While others may believe their choice of pastor or bishop or whatever is that of the Holy Spirit, I don't think there is quite the equal of the Pope. While all organizations has SOME "final say", SOME way of resolving conflict, SOME desk at which the "buck stops" (Supreme Court in the USA?), the "choice" is not seen as the Vicar of God... and never infallible. I don't think this is true for the patriarchs of EOC churches (George here will need to confirm that). IMO, Albion is correct as well in that in Protestantism, "the church" is seen PRIMARILY as "the one, holy, catholic church", the communion of all believers (past and present) spread out over all the centuries and continents. Jesus is the Lord of that, Jesus guides that, the Holy Spirit works there.... primarily. We certainly have a sense of the visible church too (Anglicans more than Lutherans) but it's below and secondary. IMO, in Catholicism, it's a bit reversed.... "the church" is "the One, Holy, Catholic Church" headed by the Pope, administered by the bishops under him, the church in it's fulness. The rest of us are acknowledged as Christians (there is the Protestant sense in Catholicism, too) but we're kinda "looking in" from outside, LOL. It DOES make a difference in how we see our denomination.... and it can make a difference in how we see each other.
Valid points around from both of you
I will get back to the topic at hand now, my apologies for getting off course