Over 29,000 Palestinians killed....

[Lees]

Lol! Yet they went to the tent after he told them. Yet Noah laid the charge upon Ham. Yeah! I know it! There is no indication????

Think about it, what you say makes Noah look like a crazed, heartless spiteful person. God as well. The funny thing is, there is no indication what color Ham was or Canaan. The name ' Ham' in hebrew etymology means 'warm' in Egyptian, it means 'burnt' or ' black'. Either way, this may not even be an indication of skin color, but a state of his soul. We hear about lukewarmness all the time, and a different blackness, that relates to the soul. So, come again? Your argument is full of assumptions.

So back attcha! The indication for you and the ilk you follow, the opinion is from a racist heart. The fact of the matter is, my opinion must be correct becsuse it doesn't contradict Moses, like Miriam did, nor Solomon who before Christ came, was considered the wisest of his people, past and/or present of his time. It upholds the ( Double Portion) of Joseph in his son's Menassah and Ephraim. They would be too dark for you. The Ethiopian Jew can trace his lineage directly to Solomon. No other Jew can for sure do that. They would have to compare their to the Black Ethiopian Jew because all the records that listed heritage were destroyed with the second temple in 70 AD. Ethiopian Jew too, represents the Double Portion.

Point, what I say doesn't contradict the character of God. It supports all the patriarchs and most and foremost proves the supremacy of the NC. I am 100% right and God is no racist. He doesn't create races to hate them.

He does make pronouncements about certain people though, like Esau, knowing what they are and will do m, before they even can think to do it. In Esau came forth an offspring He would hate for generations to the last one, who is among the last generation who loves God. Esau's Nephilim offspring will not share in promise.

In (Gen. 9:24-27), blessing is given to Shem and Japheth. No blessing to Ham and his youngest son is cursed. Which, as I have said, shows that the curses and blessings pass to the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Which reveals that this is a prophecy. And if a prophecy, it is from God.

It's what Scripture says. It only makes Noah look bad in your eyes. It only makes God look bad in your eyes. Therefore you reject (Gen. 9:24-27) as a prophecy. It can't be a prophecy because you don't like it.

Gee, think of that. Ham means burnt, black, or hot. What a coincidence. And Ham and his descendants went to the area we call Africa. (Ps. 78:51) (Ps. 105:23) One of the sons of Ham was Mizraim. (Gen. 10:6) And it was he who is known as Egypt. But it is the land of Ham because Ham's descendants went there.

Another of Ham's descendants was Cush. Which speaks to the Ethiopians or one of dark skin color. Again, what a coincidence.

And Cush begat Nimrod. (Gen. 10:8) Ever heard of him? He was a great rebel against the Lord. His name means 'let us rebel'. Which indicates Cush's role in preparing Nimrod for rebellion. And rebel he did. He established a kingdom in the land of Shinar called Babel. (Gen. 10:10) And Babel means confusion and is where God in judgement divided the peoples language.

And, just as Jerusalem is the center of God's attention and affection on earth, so does evil have a center on earth where Satan's affection lies. The land of Shinar. Same as where Nimrod made his kingdom. (Gen. 10:10)

(Zechariah 5:7-11) "And , behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. And, he said, This is wickedness....Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? and he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar; and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base."

Lees

 

[Hadassah]

In (Gen. 9:24-27), blessing is given to Shem and Japheth. No blessing to Ham and his youngest son is cursed. Which, as I have said, shows that the curses and blessings pass to the descendants of Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Which reveals that this is a prophecy. And if a prophecy, it is from God.

It's what Scripture says. It only makes Noah look bad in your eyes. It only makes God look bad in your eyes. Therefore you reject (Gen. 9:24-27) as a prophecy. It can't be a prophecy because you don't like it.

Gee, think of that. Ham means burnt, black, or hot. What a coincidence. And Ham and his descendants went to the area we call Africa. (Ps. 78:51) (Ps. 105:23) One of the sons of Ham was Mizraim. (Gen. 10:6) And it was he who is known as Egypt. But it is the land of Ham because Ham's descendants went there.

Another of Ham's descendants was Cush. Which speaks to the Ethiopians or one of dark skin color. Again, what a coincidence.

And Cush begat Nimrod. (Gen. 10:8) Ever heard of him? He was a great rebel against the Lord. His name means 'let us rebel'. Which indicates Cush's role in preparing Nimrod for rebellion. And rebel he did. He established a kingdom in the land of Shinar called Babel. (Gen. 10:10) And Babel means confusion and is where God in judgement divided the peoples language.

And, just as Jerusalem is the center of God's attention and affection on earth, so does evil have a center on earth where Satan's affection lies. The land of Shinar. Same as where Nimrod made his kingdom. (Gen. 10:10)

(Zechariah 5:7-11) "And , behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. And, he said, This is wickedness....Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? and he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar; and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base."

Lees

I get everything you are saying. However, now you are being disingenuous when saying, it is only me who sees Noah that way. I didn't see him in any bad light. You were the one who made Noah look crazed with your racist doctrine, you did God as well.

I never said Ham or Canaan were not black, I said that may be an assumption by you based on your " Racist Theory" doctrine. I said it could have been Ham's wife who was black. My point is, you blamed me for adding things to my interpretation that you say the bible does not indicate.

My point was, the same thing could be said of your racist doctrine.

I also, gave a non racist point that is in line with the character of God because He is not racist. You would think that would be evident in the fact that Adam or Eve, maybe both was black. If not the case, there would be no black peoples to begin with.

I said, due to Ham's directive and disclosure of his father's nakedness in his drunken stupor, to his brothers, Ham showed he was ashamed of his father. Why else would the story be written as it is, for generations later to ponder? Clearly, Ham was disgusted at his father's display when he peeked in his tent.

I said, what he told his brothers, is why they walked in backwards. I said they did so under Ham's direction. You said there is no indication of that. Yet they did as they did only after Ham told them.

I said, with my lead and challenge put forth, that it was Ham who actually did what his brothers did. That got a rise out of you You thought it was an aha! moment, when actually I was showing Ham's intent of heart that I later explained.

It is called filling in the blanks with reason and deduction because the equation was there. Hence, I came up with the sum of the parts presented because I can do math.

What Shem and Japheth did is what Ham's disgust wanted them to do. It reveals influence, and trusting another's bad judgment. That is a fact!

It wasn't Shem and Japheth blamed or cursed, it was Ham, by way of revealing what Ham's lack of faith will be upon his son. I said it is because Ham turned his back on the faith of his father and therefore, that sin would reflect upon his son Canaan, as all sins do upon our children . Upbringing is the key.

So, let's keep it real, that is what I said. The point is, your theology promotes racism, my doesn't. It fills in the answer to the equation of the account.

Ham did as his brothers did (first) it is at the heart of the matter! He turned his back on his father, he was disgusted with Noah's display, he told his brothers, they walked in backwards because of what Ham told them, they covered what they perceived as Noah's shame, not because of anything other than what Ham said. You said there was no indication of that in the account. Please.

What Ham directed his brothers to do, he already did in his heart. That is why when Noah woke up he said "cursed be Canaan", because of what Ham did. Why? Because Ham actually curses his son by turning his back on the faith of Noah. That is why Noah said " Blessed be the GOD OF SHEM". You can't read between the lines?

Canaan is cursed by his father's lack of faith as any child would be of a faithless father. It is a premonition Noah reveals in his words. Facts! Evidence of it is the faithless people of the land named after Ham's son Canaan. Noah was prophesying! Get the picture racist? not cursing but revealing the outcome of Ham's heart! Meaning revealed! As soon as Noah woke up he said what he said.

That is what people do when they have not the spirit of the Lord, they miss the heart of the matter.

Noah wasn't a nonsensical man. God had been talking to Noah throughout the Genesis account of Noah. Noah was a man with foresight. God revealed things to him, including Ham's heart.

I love the leads into the discussions. I know my assessment is right because it makes sense and God always gives sense of His scriptures to his children. You scewed both Noah's and God's character, I did not. See, how that works out for you. Not so good up to this point!

Now, you can go building on that doctrine of scewing, just going on and on.

In conclusion, I never said Ham and Canaan weren't black, I said the interpretation of Ham's name, concerning Hebrew etymology means 'warm' and in the Egyptian it means ' burnt or black'. Most racist go with the Egyptian one to support their racist " theology", including those who are among Daniel's people and speak hebrew.

Still even, that wouldn't make their racist doctrine correct. I explained why.

Your teachers are charged, if you remain faithful to their lie, the curse of racism results in hell as your sentence. Facts! Your doctrine is white alright, like a disease, all leprosy and vile! FACTS!

 

[Hadassah]

Here's some more blackness. It may have "ta" in place of "to". Not everyone speaks with eloquence, even St. Paul said he didn't come proclaiming the gospel in eloquence when addressing the church in Corinth. Even Moses was slow of speech.

The haughty whited sepultures filled with dead men's bones, never hear nor see the heart of the matter. They see themselves as superior with their proper English, yet they cannot see their own infirmities of heart. One speaks well, another loves well, one appears proper, the other has proper faith because it is not in oneself. Here's some black soul, music is great intermission between battles.

 

[Lamb]

Here's some more blackness. It may have "ta" in place of "to". Not everyone speaks with eloquence, even St. Paul said he didn't come proclaiming the gospel in eloquence when addressing the church in Corinth. Even Moses was slow of speech.

The haughty whited sepultures filled with dead men's bones, never hear nor see the heart of the matter. They see themselves as superior with their proper English, yet they cannot see their own infirmities of heart. One speaks well, another loves well, one appears proper, the other has proper faith because it is not in oneself. Here's some black soul, music is great intermission between battles.

Well now, this is a big tangent from the OP. How about getting back on track?

 

[Hadassah]

Well now, this is a big tangent from the OP. How about getting back on track?

Lol! who flung the off topic rhetoric at the OP?Not me, it's mine. Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Actually I'm not offended, by any interjections, why should you be?

News Flash...... This just in...... There is a rumble in the newsroom! Two editors, one bringing the Good News, the other, the same old bad news! Oh well ! what's new!

The OP has to do with race based so- called-justice that is simply racist injustice. All relevant and the God Head's Headline News. . Views from the Throne Room.

 

[Lamb]

Thread is closed for suspicion of antisemitism, which is not allowed here.

There will be no tolerance of race hate of any kind on this forum.