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Yes, I would agree with that as applicable to an individual.

Yes, you agree that OneIsTheWord is saying that any day can be the Sabbath depending on what day of the week someone starts to work, or are you agreeing that the supreme being is fine with any day being the Sabbath depending on what day of the week someone starts to work?
 

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Here a story :cool:

I have a family just getting started in life. my family and I always moving from place to place living in tents, mom says to her husband we need a house to live in, the husband yes our young ones need a stable place to grow in, the husband says we must give our young ones the very best.
Mom asked how long will it takes to build a new home, the father calculates the time needed to build a new home, it would take 20 Seasons to build a new home 4 Seasons for each year.
The father begins to build his house, every Season must be specified according to the mother and children needs, every detail must be perfect.
The 20 Season at it almost at its end, mom asks, husband it is time, the husband says, mother, we need a solid foundation for our family, it going to take another 4 Season, what is the total of Seasons.

How many Seasons are altogether total of years gentlemen and ladies? :unsure:
 
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Yes, you agree that OneIsTheWord is saying that any day can be the Sabbath depending on what day of the week someone starts to work, or are you agreeing that the supreme being is fine with any day being the Sabbath depending on what day of the week someone starts to work?
I worded it badly.

Apart from being the sign of the Covenant the Sabbath was a day of rest (sabbath means rest) and then later a day to congregate to worship.
It is good to rest once a week and for an individual they could choose any day of the week depending on their circumstances. But for a congregation to worship they need to fix a day. So I meant sabbath in terms of a day of rest.
 

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maybe this will help, Father's Day on every Sunday of the year
Christ's father Day is every Saturday at the end of the week
Christ celebrate every Saturday and worship his father, event month at a certain time, Christ observe that day Saturday as a day of rest
Some Christian observe that day Saturday is a day of rest, but they work anyway
Catholic observe Sunday as a day of worship, this is man's law
The Vatican System switched Saturday to Sunday, man's law

In Deuteronomy 4:2 (NKJV) You shall not add to the word which I command you,
nor take from it
, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

You shall not add, any new doctrines because it is finish

nor take from it, I can not take Saturday, and add on Sunday for a substitute for Saturday because on Saturday it was finished, rest day

End result!
In Revelation 22:19 (NKJV) and if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

This means those who change or modify the LORD Saturday to Sunday or anything of the LORD, you loses everything, no blessing
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Matthew 18: 6; Mark 9: 42
 
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Using black ink would help, too.
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Hebrews 9:26-28 (NKJV) He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
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as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him, He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
 

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Ephesians 6:12-20 (KJV) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
1And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.
 

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maybe this will help, Father's Day on every Sunday of the year
Christ's father Day is every Saturday at the end of the week
Christ celebrate every Saturday and worship his father, event month at a certain time, Christ observe that day Saturday as a day of rest
Some Christian observe that day Saturday is a day of rest, but they work anyway
Catholic observe Sunday as a day of worship, this is man's law
The Vatican System switched Saturday to Sunday, man's law

As I pointed out in post #142 - and you ignored it:

Nowhere does Scripture say anyone rested on the 7th day before God introduced the idea to the Israelites in the desert. It is obvious by their reaction that it was a new idea to them.

The 7th day Sabbath was a sign of God's Covenant with them.
The Lord said to Moses, “Say to the people of Israel, 'You shall keep my sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.…...

Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the sabbath, observing the sabbath throughout their generations, as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign for ever between me and the people of Israel“‘(Ex 31:12-13, 16-17)

The 7th day Sabbath was not given to the Israelites until God gave them the Covenant.

The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. Not with our fathers did the Lord make this covenant, but with us, who are all of us here alive this day. (Deut 5:2-3)

The 7th day Sabbath was never given to Gentiles, only with Israel as part of the now abolished Mosaic Covenant.

We are not Jews. We are not obliged to keep a law that was give to the Jews only.

In Deuteronomy 4:2 (NKJV) You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

You shall not add, any new doctrines because it is finish

nor take from it, I can not take Saturday, and add on Sunday for a substitute for Saturday because on Saturday it was finished, rest day

End result!

Question: who was Moses addressing?
Answer: the Israelites in the desert - the Jews, not Gentiles. Dt 4 starts "And now, O Israel,"
It continues: give heed to the statutes and the ordinances which I teach you, and do them; that you may live, and go in and take possession of the land which the Lord, the God of your fathers, gives you.
Then: You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it; that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
In all instances the you is Israel. No-one else




In Revelation 22:19 (NKJV) and if anyone takes away from the words of this book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

This means those who change or modify the LORD Saturday to Sunday or anything of the LORD, you loses everything, no blessinMatthew 18: 6; Mark 9: 42


This book in Rev 22:19 is that particular book not every book of the Bible.
 

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Just a reminder folks.

If you are interested in finding the true Sabbath day, you need only read the Genesis Creation account very carefully, digging into a lexicon if need be (as translations can get wild). Certain aspects of this biblical section are explicit and reiterated for a purpose. One cannot find the sabbath blindly following cycles of time outside a Creation reference one can see.
 

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Just a reminder folks.

If you are interested in finding the true Sabbath day, you need only read the Genesis Creation account very carefully, digging into a lexicon if need be (as translations can get wild). Certain aspects of this biblical section are explicit and reiterated for a purpose. One cannot find the sabbath blindly following cycles of time outside a Creation reference one can see.

Exactly. And as I also pointed out in post #142 -
Gen 2:1-3 says that God rested on that 7th day.
Nowhere does Scripture say God rested every 7th day

And since God work of creation was complete there is no indication he started work again on the 8th day. Nor is there any indication that Adam and Eve rested on the seventh day. Indeed since they were in Paradise there was no work for them to do. It was not until they fell and were expelled that God says to Adam:
"Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten of the tree of which I commanded you, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground because of you; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life; thorns and thistles it shall bring forth to you; and you shall eat the plants of the field. In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return." (Gen 3:17-19).

Moreover the writer of Hebrews makes a point that God’s work was completed in the six days and so God’s rest is continuous.
“…although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way, "And God rested on the seventh day from all his works." (Heb 4:3-4).

There is no cycle of God working for six days and resting every seventh day.
 

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Just a reminder folks.

If you are interested in finding the true Sabbath day, you need only read the Genesis Creation account very carefully, digging into a lexicon if need be (as translations can get wild). Certain aspects of this biblical section are explicit and reiterated for a purpose. One cannot find the sabbath blindly following cycles of time outside a Creation reference one can see.
The Crucifixion
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The Suffering of Jesus Christ on the Cross, and the fury and hatred of sinful Human, and Righteousness and the Justice of God the Heavenly Father, but upon Christ as our Substitute.
The punishment for our sin, and the Justify of God and suffering of the Son of man on the cross,
This is a warning, and Hope to all Humanity.

Let’s look at three choices, of Justice and Mercy.

Choice number one. For the righteousness of God, the father, because he is holy and Just, God’s in his holiness, for the wages of sin is death. What death is God talking about?

Romans 6: 23. So, God, the Father will have to eliminate all life, because, Gods’ holiness and Righteousness demand Justice for all sin, and God would have to put humanity in HELL forevermore. End of story, no mercy.

Choice number Two. Mercy without Justice and no Laws.

We will sin forever and ever, humanity would be miserable, and the world would be in chaos. Because of sin, the curse will continue on the earth forever and ever. Humanity will have depleted all its’ resources and finally enslaved itself. Men with all their technology and science will finally realize there will be no solution to solve the population of the earth.
This is why it is so important to have a savior, to save us from ourselves.

This is the reason, Jesus Christ came down from heaven to earth to punish the wicked and save his people from their sins, to bring back stability and the truth and righteousness, for our purpose.
The end result
That we may serve God with, true and in love, God of the cosmos.
There is only one mentor and one God, and his name is Jesus Christ savior, anointed one, Jehovah God, The Great I Am, the one who is the self-existing One, (YHWH.)

Choice number three.
Can man Justify his sins in trying to keep the Ten Commandments?


We read in Romans 3: 20 - 26. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by the faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe; for there is no difference; For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, do declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness; that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. I quote again,


In Romans 3:24-26. Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus; Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness; that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
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Saturday.

But Sunday is the Day of the Lord.
 

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There is no cycle of God working for six days and resting every seventh day.

That's correct, but He did command the Hebrews (who you are calling the Jews) to follow His Creation example.

In order to do that, they would need to know what day it was, be it a Sabbath or work day. How?

Ask a neighbor, but what if one forgot and are alone for several days and can't? The ancient Hebrews did not have electronic devices to tell them where in the week they were at.

This is why I pointed to the Genesis Creation account. Something in Creation was appointed for "times". Times such as Sabbath days.
 
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Care to explain?

The day Jesus rose from the dead. It’s the day the early church chose to celebrate his resurrection every week.
 

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The day Jesus rose from the dead.
"The Day of the Lord is a period of time in which God will deal with wicked men directly and dramatically in fearful judgment. Today a man may be a blasphemer of God, an atheist, can denounce God and teach bad doctrine. Seemingly God does nothing about it. But the day designated in Scripture as “the day of the Lord” is coming when God will punish human sin, and He will deal in wrath and in judgment with a Christ-rejecting world. One thing we are sure of, that God in His own way will bring every soul into judgment." (John F. Walvoord)
Nothing said about the resurrection or 1st day of the week.

It’s the day the early church chose to celebrate his resurrection every week.

Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone observing the resurrection on the 1st day of the week, much less than on every 1st day of the week.
 

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Just so it's understood that scripture is silent with regard to anyone observing the resurrection on the 1st day of the week, much less than on every 1st day of the week.
If that were true, almost the whole of the Christian world wouldn't be celebrating it on Sunday as it does. And scripture is hardly silent about it. See Acts of the Apostles 20:7 and following.

Here's the position statement of the USConference of Catholic Bishops. There are of course many others that agree, coming from other denominations. --

" [20:7] The first day of the week: the day after the sabbath and the first day of the Jewish week, apparently chosen originally by the Jerusalem community for the celebration of the liturgy of the Eucharist in order to relate it to the resurrection of Christ."
 

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If that were true, almost the whole of the Christian world wouldn't be celebrating it on Sunday as it does. And scripture is hardly silent about it. See Acts of the Apostles 20:7 and following.

Here's the position statement of the USConference of Catholic Bishops. There are of course many others that agree, coming from other denominations. --

" [20:7] The first day of the week: the day after the sabbath and the first day of the Jewish week, apparently chosen originally by the Jerusalem community for the celebration of the liturgy of the Eucharist in order to relate it to the resurrection of Christ."

Christians worship on "Sunday" because that is what they were brought up to do, that is what their English bibles say was the day of resurrection AND the day the apostles gathered (and they do not question this translation), and the day the "Catholic Authority" set as worship day.

I challenge anyone to find anywhere in the Gospels where Yeshua designates the 1st day to replace the 7th day.

I challenge anyone to find anywhere in the Gospels where Yeshua says He will rise on the 1st day. Instead what you'll find are these phrases:

"after 3 days I will rise"

"rise on the 3rd day"

"after 3 days and 3 nights"

Since one cannot fit 3 days and 3 nights from Friday Evening to Sunday morning, something's amiss.

One last challenge:

Find any OT Scripture where the 1st day of the week (not 1st day of a religious celebration), but 1st day of the week is given any significance anywhere, or is said to be given approval in the future as a holy day.
 

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re: "If that were true, almost the whole of the Christian world wouldn't be celebrating it on Sunday as it does. And scripture is hardly silent about it. See Acts of the Apostles 20:7..."

Acts 20:7 says nothing about the get together for the purpose of celebrating the resurrection. It simply isn't there.



re: "Here's the position statement of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. There are of course many others that agree, coming from other denominations...'The first day of the week: the day after the sabbath and the first day of the Jewish week, apparently chosen originally by the Jerusalem community for the celebration of the liturgy of the Eucharist in order to relate it to the resurrection of Christ'."

Look, I'm not saying that the Jerusalem community didn't celebrate the 1st day of the week in recognition of the resurrection. I'm simply pointing out that scripture can't be used for proof of such a practice.
 
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