• Welcome to Christianity Haven, thank you for visiting! If you have not already, we invite you to create an account and join in on the many discussions we have! 

    • Please be aware that when registering you must not register while using a VPN. Any registrations made using a VPN will be rejected.
    • Additionally, registration emails are not being sent out which is an issue that is being worked on. Your registration may go into an approval queue for admin approval. We work to send manual emails to the email on file, so please ensure the email you use is one you can readily access! 

GOOD PEOPLE ONLY: Metaphor in holy scripture.

MoreCoffee

MoreCoffee

Well-known member
Valued Contributor
Joined
Jul 13, 2015
Messages
19,383
Location
Western Australia
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Catholic
Political Affiliation
Moderate
Marital Status
Single
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
When Jesus said "I am the way" was that a metaphor?

What about "I am the Truth"?

What about "I am the Life"?

How about "this is my body"? and how about "this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins"?

How many sayings of Jesus are you willing to treat as metaphors?
 
R

Rens

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 11, 2015
Messages
4,754
Age
55
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Pentecostal
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
In Relationship
He's not a literal way with asphalt and He's not a literal lamb or a lion or a vine or a door.
 
MoreCoffee

MoreCoffee

Well-known member
Valued Contributor
Joined
Jul 13, 2015
Messages
19,383
Location
Western Australia
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Catholic
Political Affiliation
Moderate
Marital Status
Single
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Rens said:
He's not a literal way with asphalt and He's not a literal lamb or a lion or a vine or a door.
Click to expand...

In the Apocalypse Jesus is seen as a lion. Is that a metaphor? Or is it a vision or something equally symbolic and unreal. How far are you willing to go down the unreality road. You appear to think that "I am the way" is metaphor, is "I am the Truth" also a metaphor? And why is "this is my body" a metaphor it doesn't have any of the cues that point to metaphor. It's a bald statement like "This is my house" and "this is my wife".

BY the way, I am inclined to think that Jesus is the door, and the vine, and the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and the Lion of Judah too. I guess I just like to believe Jesus' words rather than make things up about them being metaphorical.
 
Wilhemena

Wilhemena

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 25, 2016
Messages
341
Age
81
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Christian
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
MoreCoffee said:
When Jesus said "I am the way" was that a metaphor?

What about "I am the Truth"?

What about "I am the Life"?

How about "this is my body"? and how about "this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins"?

How many sayings of Jesus are you willing to treat as metaphors?
Click to expand...

Doesn't one understand these sayings through way of context and the ones Jesus was speaking to? Regardless of that are they also not all about our Messiah and his usage of metaphors helped explain to those listening and wasn't also it the case that whenever Jesus used a metaphor he explained the meaning behind it to the disciples but when he wasn't using a metaphor that no explanation was necessary? It could also be that my mind is feeble and I have forgotten what I have been taught.
 
MoreCoffee

MoreCoffee

Well-known member
Valued Contributor
Joined
Jul 13, 2015
Messages
19,383
Location
Western Australia
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Catholic
Political Affiliation
Moderate
Marital Status
Single
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Wilhemena said:
Doesn't one understand these sayings through way of context and the ones Jesus was speaking to? Regardless of that are they also not all about our Messiah and his usage of metaphors helped explain to those listening and wasn't also it the case that whenever Jesus used a metaphor he explained the meaning behind it to the disciples but when he wasn't using a metaphor that no explanation was necessary? It could also be that my mind is feeble and I have forgotten what I have been taught.
Click to expand...

I do not think that the statements are metaphors.
 
R

Rens

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 11, 2015
Messages
4,754
Age
55
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Pentecostal
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
In Relationship
MoreCoffee said:
In the Apocalypse Jesus is seen as a lion. Is that a metaphor? Or is it a vision or something equally symbolic and unreal. How far are you willing to go down the unreality road. You appear to think that "I am the way" is metaphor, is "I am the Truth" also a metaphor? And why is "this is my body" a metaphor it doesn't have any of the cues that point to metaphor. It's a bald statement like "This is my house" and "this is my wife".

BY the way, I am inclined to think that Jesus is the door, and the vine, and the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and the Lion of Judah too. I guess I just like to believe Jesus' words rather than make things up about them being metaphorical.
Click to expand...

It's His Character or role, He doesn't look like a natural door and He isn't lifeless.
I am not a literal sheep I hope, but it describes my character. And all the sheep say Ame e e e en.
 
R

Rens

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 11, 2015
Messages
4,754
Age
55
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Pentecostal
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
In Relationship
Hahahahahahaha that reminds me, when my sister met her now husband, she found out he had a twin brother and she said to him: isn't Rens something for you? No, he said, she's such a sheep.
Beh maybe I am one after all.
View attachment 716
Jews speak literal, like Dutch.
Paul said watch the dogs. Did he mean real dogs? Are false teachers really dogs? Is is is?
 
MoreCoffee

MoreCoffee

Well-known member
Valued Contributor
Joined
Jul 13, 2015
Messages
19,383
Location
Western Australia
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Catholic
Political Affiliation
Moderate
Marital Status
Single
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Rens said:
It's His Character or role, He doesn't look like a natural door and He isn't lifeless.
I am not a literal sheep I hope, but it describes my character. And all the sheep say Ame e e e en.
Click to expand...

The problem is that you're reading this the wrong way around. It isn't Jesus that is like an earthly door it is the earthly door that is like Jesus. The earthly door is the metaphor. The reality is Jesus. Jesus is the door. Earthly doors are like him insofar as they open and shut and govern access. They are like him he is not like them as if they were the original and he the metaphorical copy.
 
Lamb

Lamb

God's Lil Lamb
Community Team
Administrator
Supporting Member
Joined
Jun 10, 2015
Messages
34,540
Age
59
Gender
Female
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Political Affiliation
Conservative
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
John 8:12 I am the light of the world.

Today in church we celebrated the Transfiguration. My pastor pointed out how Moses had borrowed light but Jesus had unborrowed light. He truly is the light.
 
Tigger

Tigger

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 20, 2015
Messages
1,555
Age
65
Gender
Male
Religious Affiliation
Lutheran
Marital Status
Married
Acceptance of the Trinity & Nicene Creed
Yes
Lämmchen said:
John 8:12 I am the light of the world.

Today in church we celebrated the Transfiguration. My pastor pointed out how Moses had borrowed light but Jesus had unborrowed light. He truly is the light.
Click to expand...
The Orthodox have a fairly developed theology around created and uncreated energies that have helped me wrap my mind around concepts like that.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top Bottom