Did God create the devil?

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How could the Creator create such a terrible foe, something so opposite to himself.and then allow such a monster to exist to torment mankind. Does it mean that mankind needs the devil so that we run from him and come to the Creator.
 

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How could the Creator create such a terrible foe, something so opposite to himself.and then allow such a monster to exist to torment mankind. Does it mean that mankind needs the devil so that we run from him and come to the Creator.

There are references in places such as Isaiah 14:12-13 where it appears to mention Satan who was an angel before he fell from heaven due to pride. Isaiah verses says

“How you have fallen from heaven,
O [a]star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!
13 “But you said in your heart,
‘I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.

Granted the reference is vague. What we know is that only God has no beginning and is the creator of all, so at some point Satan had to be created much like time and space and all of the elements around us had to be created.
 

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How could the Creator create such a terrible foe, something so opposite to himself.and then allow such a monster to exist to torment mankind. Does it mean that mankind needs the devil so that we run from him and come to the Creator.
God created an angel who had the capacity to disobey and harbor pride.
God created humans who had the capacity to disobey and harbor pride.
God could have chose to eliminate that capacity in His creation. God didn't. The Creator gives us no reason and He is under no obligation to tell us why.
Will you curse God and die or will you thank God for the good and the bad he brings into your life? This is the question Job asks his wife in Job 2. It's the question we are still having to answer.
Either God is Love or He isn't. If God is Love as the scriptures say, then Love created beings with the capacity to rebel against Love and do the opposite of Love, which is hate.
Should have Love chosen to destroy rebellion immediately or should Love have designed a means of reconciliation so rebels could be made right with Love?
Love chose to provide a means of reconciliation by being born into His creation and pay for those whom Love chose to redeem.
 

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God didn't create Satan, man did. Satan (ha'shaitan) occurs by name in the Old Testament in the Book of Job, and here it's clear that the angel Satan is not the Devil! The Devil is supposedly banished from the presence of God, yet in Job, Satan is allowed to talk with and to come and go from God's presence and on a mission for God yet! What's going on? Satan here is not "the Devil" but sort of God's prosecuting attorney. There is a very common perception that the 'Lucifer' in Isaiah 14:12ff refers to Satan, the supernatural personification of evil. This misconception comes from two sources. The first is wishful thinking in the sense that it is nice to think that 'the Enemy' will get his come-uppance eventually. The second has to do with the old caution that scripture is to be read only 'in context'. This requires going back and reading all of Isaiah 13 and the earlier verses in Isaiah 14. When this is done we suddenly realize that scripture is not speaking of a supernatural Satan at all but of a Babylonian king with an immense ego. Read Isaiah 14: " 4 you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon:" What follows is a long rant against this oppressive king filled with numerous reference to his human nature like Isaiah 14: "16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17 the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?" This passage is in no way a reference to Satan or the devil. The Jews did not originally believe in devils but they picked up this concept during the Babylonian Exile from the Persians who followed Zoroastrianism. The Zoroastrians believed in both a god of good (Ahura-Mazda) and a god of evil (Ahrulman) engaged in a cosmic struggle. The Jews picked up and ran with this idea. It was easy to cast YHWH in the role of the God of good. They took also the angel ha'shaitan (Satan) in the book of Job and recast that character as Satan the near divine force of evil. Up to that time, their concept of God was of a being responsible for everything, both good and evil. Isaiah 45:”7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” is just one quote that demonstrates this. The Jews never connected Satan to the serpent in the Garden of Eden. It was the second-century Christian martyr, Justin of Samaria, who was first to argue that Satan appeared as a serpent to tempt Adam and Eve to disobey God.
 

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God didn't create Satan, man did.
So when God the Son said, "Get thee behind me Satan," that means God had not created Satan?
 
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