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Most opinions of Daniel 9:24-27 I read and hear from Christian religious leaders and scholars claim this portion of prophecy validates the end of time antichrist, Rapture, and Tribulation. I don’t find this at all. Thoughts out there? I’m new to this forum.
 

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Here is the text from biblegateway and I'll think about this some more before I respond:

24 “Seventy ‘sevens’[a] are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish[b] transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the Most Holy Place.[c]

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[d] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble. 26 After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.[e] The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[f] In the middle of the ‘seven’[g] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[h] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[i]”[j]
 

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Most opinions of Daniel 9:24-27 I read and hear from Christian religious leaders and scholars claim this portion of prophecy validates the end of time antichrist, Rapture, and Tribulation. I don’t find this at all. Thoughts out there? I’m new to this forum.
I agree. Where does it describe the rapture and the millennium? I don't see it either.
 

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I agree. Where does it describe the rapture and the millennium? I don't see it either.
Bruce, i believe I have the solution to it. If you’re interested in trying to solve it there is one very important clue. The seven sevens is Jesus who existed before the Messiah will come and is the prophesied Messiah. Taking seven from Revelation as meaning something complete, the seventy sevens is the most complete prophecy ever provided to the world and nothing is more complete than Jesus.
 

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What do you think Lamb? Using that clue I’ve provided the math validates the truth of Daniel 9:24-27 prophecy being ALL about Jesus, which BTW makes sense. But then that means Jesus had a seven year mission. That can be solved also from Daniel and Revelation.
 

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Seven was a number in the bible that was symbolic of completion and wasn't always to be taken literal of meaning "7".
 

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Seven was a number in the bible that was symbolic of completion and wasn't always to be taken literal of meaning "7".
You seem confident of that statement. Can you please reference the word of God validating it As true?
 

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You seem confident of that statement. Can you please reference the word of God validating it As true?
I‘ve noticed a few likes to Lamb’s claim but I’ve seen no evidence to support it as the word of God. Anyone care to join in? That simple statement by Lamb has wide imolications. It could mean that my conclusions are wrong and if that is the case, there is an error in my Daniel 9:24-27 summary and calculations. That is why I asked Lamb for evidence. I’d be very interested to find out what the evidence to suppot the claim, “Seven was a number in the bible that was symbolic of completion and wasn't always to be taken literal of meaning ’7’.“ comes from. Those who liked that claim feel free to provide the facts-the truth.
 

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I‘ve noticed a few likes to Lamb’s claim but I’ve seen no evidence to support it as the word of God. Anyone care to join in? That simple statement by Lamb has wide imolications. It could mean that my conclusions are wrong and if that is the case, there is an error in my Daniel 9:24-27 summary and calculations. That is why I asked Lamb for evidence. I’d be very interested to find out what the evidence to suppot the claim, “Seven was a number in the bible that was symbolic of completion and wasn't always to be taken literal of meaning ’7’.“ comes from. Those who liked that claim feel free to provide the facts-the truth.

From what I've been taught, the number 7 had historical significance for the Hebrews and it represented completeness. Have you noticed the amount of times 7 is in the bible? Some things were literal, like 7 days, but some were merely symbolic.
 

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From what I've been taught, the number 7 had historical significance for the Hebrews and it represented completeness. Have you noticed the amount of times 7 is in the bible? Some things were literal, like 7 days, but some were merely symbolic.
I agree, some references are symbolic and some literal. Daniel is both and Daniel and Revelation prophecy are not about the Hebrews or Jews they anre about the Kingdom of God on earth. The seventy sevens represents the most complete prophecy ever written, the sixty two sevens are years, the seven sevens is Jesus and the seven is a seven year mission of Jesus. With that as a solution the math adds up and each part of the prophecy is proven to have been fulfilled.
 

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Bruce, i believe I have the solution to it. If you’re interested in trying to solve it there is one very important clue. The seven sevens is Jesus who existed before the Messiah will come and is the prophesied Messiah. Taking seven from Revelation as meaning something complete, the seventy sevens is the most complete prophecy ever provided to the world and nothing is more complete than Jesus.
I agree, but I don't enough about ancient history to know if the prophecy might have been fulfilled then, culminating in Jesus' first coming. I know that many prophecies have both a direct and a deeper fulfillment.
 

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I agree. Where does it describe the rapture and the millennium? I don't see it either.
Luke 12:34-44
34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;(Matthew 25:6, take a look).
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

Keep this in mind: Luke 20:35-36 combined with 1Corinthians 15:24-28, and 1Thessalonians 4:15-17, among other biblical references, take a look.
Revelation 11:15-18

15...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come(there will be War-Revelation 12:7-12 and 16:13-15 and 19:19-21), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged(Daniel 7:22&26-27 combined with 1Corinthians 6:2-3, take a look), and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Get ready -> Matthew 25:10

 

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Luke 12:34-44
34 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;(Matthew 25:6, take a look).
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through.
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all?
42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season?
43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

Keep this in mind: Luke 20:35-36 combined with 1Corinthians 15:24-28, and 1Thessalonians 4:15-17, among other biblical references, take a look.
Revelation 11:15-18

15...The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come(there will be War-Revelation 12:7-12 and 16:13-15 and 19:19-21), and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged(Daniel 7:22&26-27 combined with 1Corinthians 6:2-3, take a look), and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and should destroy them which destroy the earth.

Get ready -> Matthew 25:10

So where is the rapture and millennium in all that? Revelation 11:18 reads like the end of the world:

18 The nations were angry, and your wrath came, as did the time for the dead to be judged, and to give your bondservants the prophets, their reward, as well as to the saints, and those who fear your name, to the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”

The wrath came and people were judged. The future is wrapped up, then Revelation chapter 12 starts at the beginning of the New Covenant of Jesus and takes us through the whole future to the wrath of God near the end, the final battle as the world ends, then the eternal kingdom. Get ready, the thief in the night is the day you need to ponder and plan for. Watch out and don’t die without Jesus because it will be the third woe - you will be separated from God forever.

Common sense says God does not care to tell you about some future rapture, tribulation, and millennium. It is all nonsense. BTW, per the words of John and Jesus the New Covenant is the end times and the seventh seal describes a split in the New Covenant- the Bronze kingdom of the statue of Daniel is the first half and the Iron/clay kingdom is the second half. Each in heaven time equal about a half an hour. We are winding down in the iron/clay kingdom. The church that claims to follow Jesus is a fragmented mess with factions of churches, nonsense theology, and words being taught throughout the church as the word of God that aren’t the word of God. Ya think God is happy about all this?
 

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I agree, some references are symbolic and some literal. Daniel is both and Daniel and Revelation prophecy are not about the Hebrews or Jews they anre about the Kingdom of God on earth. The seventy sevens represents the most complete prophecy ever written, the sixty two sevens are years, the seven sevens is Jesus and the seven is a seven year mission of Jesus. With that as a solution the math adds up and each part of the prophecy is proven to have been fulfilled.
The three-year ministry of Jesus would be only one year according to the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, because they mention only one Passover, but John shows Jesus attending three Passovers. Therefore, people have deduced that he had a three-year mission. My dim memory of seminary produces that little bit of knowledge.
 

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AN END,THE END COMES UPON THE 4 CORNERS OF EARTH

It is echoing throughout the four corners of the earth, through all the evangelical movements, believers in JESUS, that the moment of JESUS's coming is very close. In fact, if we compare the time that still leaves for JESUS's return, with the 2000 years that have already passed, we can emphatically state that the time that remains is simply a blink of an eye. So be prepared or get ready.

Get ready because Revelation 11:15-18 combined with 1 Corinthians 15:24-28, will be LITERALLY fulfilled, yes, the KINGDOMS OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever -> Matthew 5:5 combined with Luke 20:35-36, and 1Corinthians 15:24-28, and Philippians 3:20-21, and especially Revelation 5:10, among many other biblical references, take a look.

The third heaven will be established from now on(Isaiah 15:16-17), it is a heavenly environment of total perfection, Alleluia, Luke 20:35-36 combined with 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and Philippians 3:20-21. Get ready.

By the way, on the other hand, as we all know, the Devil, now called the great red Dragon, (Revelation 12:9), he also knows that he has a short time, so the Dragon, and the Beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies --> (the red Dragon through his esoteric and kabbalistic Judaism, and the false Christians of sects and pseudo-evangelical movements called Gospel, and mainly the Roman Catholic Church, a religious MONSTER with 7 heads and 10 horns and the demonic blasphemer), will gather together to make war against us, the people of GOD, so, our battle, or War, will be against three unclean spirits like frogs-Revelation 16:13-15.
Pay attention to verse 15: --> the Lord warned: -> 15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. Be prepared or get ready.

Well, the days and the time will be of vengeance, them that will receive the mark of the Beast, and them that will worshipp his image will be slain with Sword, with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, and the Beast with his main partnership, both will be cast into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. As JESUS warned: Luke 17:28-30(combined with 2Peter 3:7-13, take a look): -> 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the Day (the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium) when the Son of man is revealed.

So, from now on the world of Devil will LITERALLY be destroyed as a whole as is written, the Word is GOD, so "Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness? Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of GOD, wherein the heavens(1st and 2nd heavens), being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat"-2Peter 3:11-12. KEEP IN MIND MORE THIS WARN: -> The horserider of the red horse was just released, the chastisement of the world of Devil will be terrible from now on, as was prophesied-Revelation 6:3-4:-> 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and POWER was given to him that sat thereon TO TAKE PEACE from the earth, and that they SHOULD KILL one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.-> (a demonic MOUTH, to speak of atrocities and cause them to kill one another throughout the world). Be prepared or get ready.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches(the Word is GOD, GOD is Spirit), after all it is all written, I only have copied / quoted some things above just to remind those who would need to remember of them.

May our Lord GOD bless and keep us, and give us His protection
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