Covid Survivor Rates

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According to the WHO corona virus dashboard: as of Apr 19, 2021 there were
approximately 140,886,773 confirmed cases and 3,012,251 deaths.

That translates to roughly a 97.86% survival rate. (close enough to be called 98%
in the new dumbed-down math.)

So even when people come down sick with the covid thingy, their chances of
getting over it are very good, i.e. excellent.


NOTE: The percentage given is global. The survival rate relative to USA cases is
likely to be higher seeing as how American sterilization, sanitation, hygiene, and
diet are, on average, quite a bit better than some areas of the world that I could
name.
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If you break it down by age you end up with even higher numbers for people who aren't old, obese, immune compromised etc.

The most recent figure I saw (I've all but stopped following the stats lately because it's so hard to take anything seriously any more) suggested that for those under 50 with no health issues the survival rate is 99.98% and for those under 20 with no health issues it's 99.997%. I struggle to regard it as much of a threat with numbers like that.
 

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One of our long-time family friends came down with covid this past week. His case
isn't serious enough for hospital. He can breathe okay but his tummy doesn't feel
right, his head swims a bit; and he feels very tired.

Ironically, our friend is required to wear a mask all day every day on the job and
yet still came down with it. He's a bit ticked off because he was led to believe that
masking would protect him from the bug.

Our friend's disappointment isn't due to faulty logic, rather, due to being misled by
faulty information; for example:

"Wear a mask, Save a life"

That wording is misleading. It ought to say you "could" save a life.

Quite a bit of the information out there about covid is written and spoken like
propaganda, i.e. it contains truth, but in some instances not the whole truth. I can't
say whether these half truths are deliberately meant to mislead people, but
nevertheless, intentional or not; it's causing people to go along with some wrong
ideas about this disease.
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One of our long-time family friends came down with covid this past week. His case
isn't serious enough for hospital. He can breathe okay but his tummy doesn't feel
right, his head swims a bit; and he feels very tired.

Ironically, our friend is required to wear a mask all day every day on the job and
yet still came down with it. He's a bit ticked off because he was led to believe that
masking would protect him from the bug.

Our friend's disappointment isn't due to faulty logic, rather, due to being misled by
faulty information; for example:

"Wear a mask, Save a life"

That wording is misleading. It ought to say you "could" save a life.

Quite a bit of the information out there about covid is written and spoken like
propaganda, i.e. it contains truth, but in some instances not the whole truth. I can't
say whether these half truths are deliberately meant to mislead people, but
nevertheless, intentional or not; it's causing people to go along with some wrong
ideas about this disease.
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The mask does not protect the wearer except maybe a very small chance? I mean, in the beginning we were told we weren't wearing masks for ourselves but to prevent the virus from spreading to others if WE had it since we didn't know if we would have it or not. Even then, the mask didn't 100% stop the virus from getting through the mask, so the masks are not the holy grail.

I'm not even sure masks work at all at this point after looking at the numbers frequently throughout all this.

If we look at states that opened up (meaning hardly anyone is wearing a mask!) compared to the ones with the strictest lock downs (mask nazis everywhere), you'll see that in some cases the numbers are exactly the same. In other comparisons the states that are completely open are faring better. How can that be?

It doesn't even matter if you live in a warm area. I mean, look at India! They're in the 90s today and have over 400,000 cases daily. So what's the deal? Months ago they were being praised for doing something right and getting their numbers down. Now they're out of control.
 

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2% doesn't sound like much, but when you compare it with other infectious diseases our generation has had to deal with it is very high. In the United States The Flu mortality rate is typically less than .001. In the 2017-18 Flu season around 61,000 died from 45 Million flu cases. In the 2019-2020 flu season around 34,000 died from around 35 million cases. As of today the USA has had around 33.2 million COVID cases since the pandemic began with the number of reported deaths round 590,000. So, just from raw numbers, Covid is more than 17 times as deadly as the flu.

Of course this varies by age group and region. The vast majority of people who have died from Covid have been over 50. Most of those younger who have died either already had health issues or were obese. That is not to say that a healthy younger person can't die from covid. It is just not near as likely.

One thing is for sure, in the coming years statisticians and health professionals will spend a lot of time and money trying to figure out how all the different variables effected the spread and mortality rate.

Variable include: mask ordinances (and how well people followed them), population density, overall health of the population (I have a feeling unhealthy regions like here in the Southern USA will not come out well), climate, social distancing guidelines (and how well people following them), different strains of virus, and so on.

As for the mask thing, I suspect when all is said and done it will have been shown to have a mild to moderate impact on the spread. If two people are wearing a mask it probably lowers the risk of spread, but not by a huge percentage.
 

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I think 2% of the population is an absolutely massive amount of people and should not be ignored. As you get older the risk of fatality increases. This is the reason we as young people are being asked to socially distance, wear masks and the reason shops and businesses have been forced to close.

You cannot sacrifice a group of people just because of their age.
 

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I think 2% of the population is an absolutely massive amount of people and should not be ignored. As you get older the risk of fatality increases. This is the reason we as young people are being asked to socially distance, wear masks and the reason shops and businesses have been forced to close.

You cannot sacrifice a group of people just because of their age.

I don't see anybody wanting to sacrifice a group of people - what I see is people saying that the 2% who are vulnerable should be protected rather than imposing restrictions on the other 98% as well.

When my mother was critically ill even a common cold could have literally killed her. So we as a family took precautions that, to an outside observer who didn't know the situation, would have appeared beyond paranoid. But it's what we had to do to protect her. We didn't expect everybody else to put their lives on hold, we just did what we needed to do to isolate her.

I have a friend a few years younger than me who is more cautious than I am, because he wants to see his parents who are in their 70s and doesn't want to infect them. My older relatives live far enough away that I'm not seeing them any time soon. Since it's easy for me to avoid close proximity to older people I don't see the need to be as cautious. When I'm interacting with older people I simply defer to them as to whether they'd prefer me to cover my face or simply not visit at all.
 

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Our friend's disappointment isn't due to faulty logic, rather, due to being misled by
faulty information; for example:

"Wear a mask, Save a life"

That wording is misleading. It ought to say you "could" save a life.

Quite a bit of the information out there about covid is written and spoken like
propaganda, i.e. it contains truth, but in some instances not the whole truth. I can't
say whether these half truths are deliberately meant to mislead people, but
nevertheless, intentional or not; it's causing people to go along with some wrong
ideas about this disease.

"Propaganda?" Some people will misunderstand anything. If the slogan is "Wear a mask; save a life" it of course doesn't guarantee that every last person you come into contact with is home free. And it's a slogan, not a contract! It's just like "Only you can prevent wildfires," which most people understand does not mean that there won't be any wildfires anywhere at any time, so long as you alone are careful.

Or should it be specified that 6 out of 10 are safer (for example) than they would otherwise be, etc.? Would that satisfy? Or would the next comment be, "Which 6?"

No, most people get the point, just as they aren't under the impression that wearing a seatbelt absolutely guarantees that you cannot be killed in a car accident.

That aside, the problem is that no one knows how effective these measures are, just that they are beneficial in general. And I personally don't know what I think about all the regulations and recommendations, so I'm neither pro-mask or anti-mask.

That's the "rub" with this particular disease. Some people escape death only to spend three months in a hospital! It is also possible to have months of pain and years of respiratory problems, even after recovering from a bout with Covid. None of that is included in the number of "deaths" reported on the evening news.
 

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I think 2% of the population is an absolutely massive amount of people and should not be ignored. As you get older the risk of fatality increases. This is the reason we as young people are being asked to socially distance, wear masks and the reason shops and businesses have been forced to close.

You cannot sacrifice a group of people just because of their age.
Not 2% of the population. 2% of those who get the disease. Currently projections are 1 mllion deaths in the US. That's like 1/3 % of the whole population.
 

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Okay but 1,000,000 people is a lot of people no matter how you look at it.

If a mask stops 0.01% of people from contracting the disease, I am okay with that.

If social distancing stops 1 elderly person from contracting the disease and becoming seriously ill, I am okay with that too.

At the end of the day, nobody likes any restrictions but if people cooperate this will be over much faster.

There is not a chance that world governments want this to become the new normal, they want things back to the way they were too.
 

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Okay but 1,000,000 people is a lot of people no matter how you look at it.

If a mask stops 0.01% of people from contracting the disease, I am okay with that.

The trouble is that so many of these things aren't zero-cost options and it's far from clear just what effect they have anyway. People get all caught up with tiny statistics where a virus is concerned and yet demonstrate through their actions that they don't care about other ways to reduce human suffering.

The trouble with the "if it saves one life it's worth it" reasoning is that we'd have to shut down just about everything. The same people who worry about a tiny chance of dying from a virus sit in their cars at the McDonalds drive-thru, pumping noxious gases into the atmosphere while waiting for their turn to stuff their system with heavily processed fats.

If social distancing stops 1 elderly person from contracting the disease and becoming seriously ill, I am okay with that too.

Which would also be great, if that distancing didn't cause more mental health issues as the elderly are deprived of social contact. It's a pretty sorry existence when you're in an old peoples' home, confined to your room, not allowed to see your family and not even allowed as far as the corridors for months at a time.

At the end of the day, nobody likes any restrictions but if people cooperate this will be over much faster.

There is not a chance that world governments want this to become the new normal, they want things back to the way they were too.

I wouldn't be so sure just what world governments want. They shift the rules and goalposts for political reasons enough that I wouldn't be too quick to trust any of them.
 

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A friend of mine who had covid about 16 months ago reported today that her antibodies are still strong! Yay :) That's awesome news because it could be true that she now has life long immunity.
 

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A friend of mine who had covid about 16 months ago reported today that her antibodies are still strong! Yay :) That's awesome news because it could be true that she now has life long immunity.

... as long as she's an obedient little serf and gets her experimental vaccine everything will be wonderful. You know, we don't know how long natural immunity lasts so we have to take our jabs that last for an equally unknown amount of time. Because science.
 

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... as long as she's an obedient little serf and gets her experimental vaccine everything will be wonderful. You know, we don't know how long natural immunity lasts so we have to take our jabs that last for an equally unknown amount of time. Because science.

She's smart and isn't being swayed into getting it :)
 
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