Does the day of Christ resurrection tell us to worship on Sunday?

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This was the first idea that was spread around to find a way to set aside or disregard the Sabbath, and set another day. So did Christ rise and tell the Disciples something that was not in scripture or was it written down and somehow got lost, God doesnt work that way. Now people began to say 'I keep Sunday in honor of the Resurrection' or that they were told that the Apostles began keeping Sunday as the day of worship after the resurrection for a variety of reasons, but did they. No, the early church clearly kept the Sabbath.

So is there any chance the resurrection somehow cause a change to the day of worship? Well, worship is the reason for the Sabbath and it is the only day God ever gave us to worship Him on. That which God gives us is the truth and we are to believe it and obey it, especially when its straight from His Word. It tells us, "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy Word is truth."John 17:17 and we read, "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit."1 Peter 1:22.

It is not safe to refuse obedience to the obvious truths of God’s Word. "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9.

So what does the clear Word of God tell us when men come up with changes to what God has given us, or bring in tradition which go against Gods Law. "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29.

So does the resurrection change the day of the Sabbath, well the problem is that God never told anyone to keep Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Christ, or for any other reason. Lets go over them and see...
 

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Another idea which is currently being given is "Jesus is my rest." But its clear, Jesus is not a "day" nor is He ever symbolically/metaphorically linked to being a 'day' in the Bible. He's linked to being "the vine", "the lamb", "the door", "the rock" and many other things but never, not once, a "day". We must stick to the Bible and not make ideas or our own interpretation to fit a creed, confession or tradition.

To "rest in Jesus" actually has three meanings; first, to rest on the Sabbath day (Heb 4:4&9), second, to be one of the righteous dead (1 Thess. 4:14) for you are literally resting in Jesus' love and protection. Matthew 11:28 - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. And third, Jesus can absolutely give us spiritual rest, but we cannot "cease from all work" seven days a week. To do so is not holy, and not what God made for man at Creation.
 

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One of the most prevalent was that "The Sabbath was for the Jews.¨ But it is not a Jewish institution, for it was made about 2,300 years before Jews existed, right at creation.Genesis 2:2-3. To say the Sabbath is just for Jews is to say that marriage is just for the Jews as well since both the Sabbath and marriage were given to Adam and Eve in the beginning.

The Bible never calls it the Jewish Sabbath, but always "the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" or "my Sabbath¨ (meaning it is God's Sabbath).
Its clear what Mark 2:27 says "And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath:"
Made for who? MAN! That is a silly way to spell Jew or Israelite. “Man” here means mankind.

God has pronounced a special blessing on all the Gentiles who will keep it.
Isaiah 56:6-7
"Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people."
 

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Now many cite the following Colossians 2:14-16:
Col 2:14-16 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:"

This verse is referring to the Mosaic Law (ceremonial law) and this is evident by the inclusion of the "new moon" phrase as well as reference to the meat and drink offerings that would take place (compare to Leviticus 23:37). There are two sets of laws in play here, two types of sabbaths; one was described as being grievous to us (Col.2:14-16), and the 10 Commandments which were not grievous to us (1 John 5:3).
How can the same law be grievous and not grievous at the same time? It cannot; clearly there are two sets of laws. Additionally, there isn't a single "ordinance" in the 10 Commandments. See definition of "ordinance" in any dictionary - it discusses festival regulations and the like.

Lets look at Deuteronomy 31:26.
"Take this book of the law (Moses' Law), and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee"

By comparison Moses' Law was written in a book on paper; God's Law was written with His finger on stone.. Also, the Commandments were put "inside" the ark (Exodus 40:20) not "in the side" (Deut 31:26) of it.

Now look at Leviticus 23:37-39 "These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day: 38 Beside(in addition to) the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD."

Notice the verse in Leviticus 23:37; the word "beside" means in addition to, these feasts were the sabbaths that were in addition to the weekly seventh-day Sabbath. It is these sabbaths, not the weekly seventh-day Sabbath, that Col 2:14 is talking about, this is verified when one looks at the descriptors of "meat" and "drink" which are in reference to the offerings that would take place under Mosaic Ceremonial Law. So, again we see that the seventh-day Sabbath was different than these ceremonial sabbaths and it was the ceremonial sabbaths that were done away with according to Col. 2-14.
 

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Now there are those who claim that Jesus did away with the "Sabbath and all the other ceremonial laws”, or it doesn't apply anymore.

But if you look, when Jesus the Son of God came, He kept the seventh day all His life.Luke 4:16 "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.¨ Thus Jesus followed His Father's example at creation. Shall we not be safe in following the example of both the Father and the Son?

The Ten Commandments were not part of Moses’ ceremonial law as Exodus 19, 20, and 31 clearly show. Also, there are many Bible references that show there was a distinguishment made between the Commandments and that of Moses’ book of the law.
Instead of abolishing the Sabbath, Jesus carefully taught how it should be observed.Matthew 12:1-13
Jesus is also known as the Lord of the Sabbath. Matthew 12:8. Why be Lord of something you were going to abolish?

Christ instructed His apostles that the Sabbath should be prayerfully regarded forty years after His resurrection.Matthew 24:20. When one reads all of Matt 24 they’ll see that Jesus was warning the disciples of the upcoming destruction of Jerusalem, which occurred about 40 years after His resurrection. Are we to believe that Christ didn’t know when this siege would take place?

Thirty years after Christ's resurrection, the Holy Spirit expressly calls it "the Sabbath day." Acts 13:14-16. Sounds like the Sabbath was still in effect even then, well after Christ's death.

The New Testament alone mentions the Sabbath day no less than 84 times - sounds like God is trying to tell us something. And never once is there a change of the Sabbath day to any other nor was it abolished.

Luke 23:56 - And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Jesus' own mother observed the Sabbath AFTER Jesus died. If He had changed or done away with the Sabbath day (having nailed it to the cross), wouldn't His own mother have known it?
 

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So where do people claim the Scripture says the Sabbath was changed? Well In the New Testament the first day of the week is mentioned eight times. In none of the eight instances is the first day said to be a day of worship, never is it said to be the Christian substitute for the Old Testament Sabbath, and never do the texts suggest that the first day of the week should be regarded as a memorial of Christ's resurrection. Let us briefly look at each of the eight New Testament passages that mention the first day of the week.

Matthew 28:1, "After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake...." Jesus was crucified on Friday. He rested in the tomb over the Sabbath and rose early on Sunday morning. The verse indicates that the women disciples returned to the tomb at the very first opportunity after the death and burial of Jesus. Because the Sabbath came so soon after His burial, they could not approach the tomb again until after sundown on Sabbath evening.(The Sabbath began at sundown on the sixth day and ended at sundown on the seventh day; compare Lev. 23:32; Neh. 13:19; Mark 1:21, 32) Early Sunday morning was the most convenient time for them to visit the tomb.

Mark 16:1, 2, "When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb."Mark records the same events as Matthew with the additional information that the women visited the tomb early on the Sunday morning for the express purpose of anointing Jesus' body with spices.

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."This verse simply records that, after His resurrection early on the Sunday morning, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 23:54 * 24:1, "It [the day of Jesus' death and burial] was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared." The Sabbath came a few hours after Jesus' death on the cross. The women disciples "rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56). Then very early in the morning of the first day they visited the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus. The fact that they observed the Sabbath rest is sufficient indication that Jesus had never attempted to change the day or to suggest that after His death the first day would replace the Sabbath. Writing years after the event, Luke gave not the slightest hint that, even though the women disciples of Jesus observed the Sabbath, such a practice was no longer expected of Christians. He simply recorded that the Sabbath day "according to the commandment," which Jesus' followers were careful to observe, was the day after the crucifixion day (Friday), and before the resurrection day (Sunday).

John 20:1, "Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb."Mary Magdalene visited the tomb early the first day of the week. Nothing is said of Sunday as a day of worship or rest.

John 20:19, "When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said,'Peace be with you.'" On the evening of the first day of the week the disciples were assembled behind locked doors "for fear of the Jews." Jesus appeared to them at that time. The passage does not say that henceforth Sunday was to be the day for worship. Since it was the evening of the first day of the week that Jesus appeared to the disciples, it was after sundown. According to Jewish reckoning this was actually the beginning of the second day (Monday; compare Gen. 1:5, 8). A week later when Thomas happened to be present, Jesus met with the disciples again (verse 26). But, writing years later, John records nothing regarding Sunday as a day of Christian worship. John's narrative gives no warrant for regarding Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath or as a day to be distinguished by Christians above any other day of the week. And there is no indication in the passage that Sunday should from then on be observed as a memorial of Christ's resurrection.
 

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One which came around for a while was that it was "the Lords Day" ..or the first day. So lets look at this:

Exodus 20:8-11
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

It is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God, not Moses' sabbath, or the Jews sabbath, or anyone Else's sabbath.

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

We see the same.

Deuteronomy 5:12-13
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee. 13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work: 14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Again the same.

Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It was not 'Moses' sabbath.

Leviticus 19:1-2
1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Speak unto all the congregation of the children of Israel, and say unto them, Ye shall be holy: for I the LORD your God am holy. 3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isaiah 56:4-6
4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;

Ezekiel 20:12-13
12Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them.

Ezekiel 20:16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols.

Ezekiel 20:19-24
19I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them;
20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezekiel 22:8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezekiel 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

The Lord claims the sabbath as His very own. It is a day, therefore it is literally, the Lord's day. This clear so how many times must the Lord call the sabbath His day to understand that there is only one day in the scriptures that would be referred to as the Lord's day? Other than the seventh day sabbath, the Lord's day can also refer to the day on which He will return to this earth. That is all. Sunday, or the first day of the week is never referred to as the Lord's day in the scriptures.

This title was only applied to Sunday later on, to cover their deception. It was applied by those who began the apostasy which was the result of the bringing together of apostate Christianity and worship of another origin.
 
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This was the first idea that was spread around to find a way to set aside or disregard the Sabbath, and set another day. So did Christ rise and tell the Disciples something that was not in scripture or was it written down and somehow got lost, God doesnt work that way. Now people began to say 'I keep Sunday in honor of the Resurrection' or that they were told that the Apostles began keeping Sunday as the day of worship after the resurrection for a variety of reasons, but did they. No, the early church clearly kept the Sabbath.

So is there any chance the resurrection somehow cause a change to the day of worship? Well, worship is the reason for the Sabbath and it is the only day God ever gave us to worship Him on. That which God gives us is the truth and we are to believe it and obey it, especially when its straight from His Word. It tells us, "Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy Word is truth."John 17:17 and we read, "Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit."1 Peter 1:22.

It is not safe to refuse obedience to the obvious truths of God’s Word. "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination." Proverbs 28:9.

So what does the clear Word of God tell us when men come up with changes to what God has given us, or bring in tradition which go against Gods Law. "We ought to obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29.

So does the resurrection change the day of the Sabbath, well the problem is that God never told anyone to keep Sunday in honor of the resurrection of Christ, or for any other reason. Lets go over them and see...


There is no command concerning the day on which we must publicly worship Him (and only on that day). Not in the OT, not in the NT.


No one has suggested that Saturday is not Saturday. Or that a horse is not a horse. You seem determined to interject irrelevant issues.


The Jews have publicly worshipped on Saturday because they regard God's greatest act as Creation, and as God celebrated that on a Saturday, so do they. Christians hold God's greatest act is Redemption which God completed on a Sunday. But NEITHER hold that worship MUST be on that day or can ONLY be on that day or that God COMMANDS it on that day. That's a point of a recent cultist movement begun in the USA.





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Another idea which is currently being given is "Jesus is my rest." But its clear, Jesus is not a "day" nor is He ever symbolically/metaphorically linked to being a 'day' in the Bible. He's linked to being "the vine", "the lamb", "the door", "the rock" and many other things but never, not once, a "day". We must stick to the Bible and not make ideas or our own interpretation to fit a creed, confession or tradition.

To "rest in Jesus" actually has three meanings; first, to rest on the Sabbath day (Heb 4:4&9), second, to be one of the righteous dead (1 Thess. 4:14) for you are literally resting in Jesus' love and protection. Matthew 11:28 - Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. And third, Jesus can absolutely give us spiritual rest, but we cannot "cease from all work" seven days a week. To do so is not holy, and not what God made for man at Creation.
In Jesus not only are we a new creation but are in rest, Jesus performed miracles on the sabbath day, very unorthodox according to rabbinic Jews who obviously missed the point of Sabbath seeing they found healing on saturday an offence.. So yes sunday is symbolic of both the first day of creation and the last day of rest, it's finished and complete.. btw the early churches gathered daily, so what do you expect we do on saturday?
 

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There is no command concerning the day on which we must publicly worship Him (and only on that day). Not in the OT, not in the NT.


No one has suggested that Saturday is not Saturday. Or that a horse is not a horse. You seem determined to interject irrelevant issues.


The Jews have publicly worshipped on Saturday because they regard God's greatest act as Creation, and as God celebrated that on a Saturday, so do they. Christians hold God's greatest act is Redemption which God completed on a Sunday. But NEITHER hold that worship MUST be on that day or can ONLY be on that day or that God COMMANDS it on that day. That's a point of a recent cultist movement begun in the USA.





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I guess you've not heard of Gods Ten Commandments and Christ reaffirming them in the New Testament....
 
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I guess you've not heart of Gods Ten Commandments and Christ reaffirming them in the New Testament....
How does the SDA observe the Sabbath?
 

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In Jesus not only are we a new creation but are in rest, Jesus performed miracles on the sabbath day, very unorthodox according to rabbinic Jews who obviously missed the point of Sabbath seeing they found healing on saturday an offence.. So yes sunday is symbolic of both the first day of creation and the last day of rest, it's finished and complete.. btw the early churches gathered daily, so what do you expect we do on saturday?

Please give me the text where Christ says that He negates the Sabbath and puts in Sunday, there are none....He came to show them the purpose which He gave the Sabbath, as the Jews had lost sight of it and had made it a burden with all their rules and extreme legalism.

As for gathering daily, today you would have a hard time doing that, and God did not ask for that. He asked us to remember the Sabbath which He made for man from Creation, and blessed it, and sanctified it which means to male holy.
 
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"I urge you, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies a living and holy sacrifice, acceptable to God, which is your spiritual service of worship." - Rom 12:1 NASB

If our worship of God is limited to a specific day or time of the week, then we are not really worshiping Him at all. Worship is not merely praying or singing songs, but the way we live, our surrender and obedience to God in all things at all times as we follow Christ.

Jesus said to the woman at the well - "an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and Truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and Truth.” (John 4:23-24 NASB)

May we not limit our "worship" of God and Jesus to a couple hours a week in a particular setting.
 

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Please give me the text where Christ says that He negates the Sabbath and puts in Sunday, there are none....He came to show them the purpose which He gave it to them as the Jews had lost sight of it and had made it a burden with all their rules and extreme legalism.

As for gathering daily, today you would have a hard time doing that, and God did not ask for that. He asked us to remember the Sabbath which He made for man from Creation, and blessed it, and sanctified it which means to male holy.
I see no mention of Jesus speaking to a gentile and commanding him to observe God on saturdays, the reason God ever made laws in the first place was because the israelites we're sinful, if they were righteous they wouldn't have needed laws to begin with.. Christ died for our sins and in Him we rest, we are told to put on the armor of God daily so I don't see what makes Saturday -a day named after a pagan deity btw -so special if we are to remain vigilant every day.. We are still in the church age, if Christians started going to church on Saturday will that make you feel better and is that all that 'Sabbath' means to you?
Doesn't Sabbath starts on Friday evening?
How do you observe the Sabbath? (Oath to Abba/the Father)
 

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The solution to this impasse is really very simple.

First, we dismiss the false charge that the Christians moved the Sabbath or abandoned the Sabbath day. That's completely false. Saturday is still considered to be the Sabbath.

Next, we take up the issue of Sunday worship, worship on the Lord's Day.

The Bible teaches that the early Christians moved the principle day of worship to Sunday. So do we accept and believe the Bible, that it is divinely inspired...or not?

If the answer is "yes, we do believe the Bible is the word of God," then we cannot simply cut that verse out of the Bible. But if we do NOT think of the Bible that way--as, for example, Unitarians do not--then choose any day you want.

Easy.
 

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The solution to this impasse is really very simple.

First, we dismiss the false charge that the Christians moved the Sabbath or abandoned the Sabbath day. That's completely false. Saturday is still considered to be the Sabbath.

Next, we take up the issue of Sunday worship, worship on the Lord's Day.

The Bible teaches that the early Christians moved the principle day of worship to Sunday. So do we accept and believe the Bible, that it is divinely inspired...or not?

If the answer is "yes, we do believe the Bible is the word of God," then we cannot simply cut that verse out of the Bible. But if we do NOT think of the Bible that way--as, for example, Unitarians do not--then choose any day you want.

Easy.
Have you read your Bible, God knew that this attempt to change His holy Sabbath would occur, and the antichrist power behind it:

"And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. " Daniel 7:25

"Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." Acts 20:28-30

Yes, long ago God predicted that, from within the church itself, misguided men would arise who would attempt to change His holy law. So the prophecy was true, and it has come to fruition as the Sabbath and those who kept it were swept away, and a substitute put in.

Here are some statements showing which show who the Protestant churches are following and its not the Bible:

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908 by Robert Appleton Company, Online Edition © 1999 by Kevin Knight, Nihil Obstat - Remy Lafort, Censor Imprimatur - +John M. Farley, Archbishop of New York, page 153.

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible." The Catholic Virginian, "To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

"... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify." The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

'Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God... The Church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.'' Catholic Record, September 1, 1923.

"But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair." The Faith of Millions

Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Question: Should not the Protestant doubt when he finds that he himself holds tradition as a guide?
Answer: Yes, if he would but reflect that he has nothing but Catholic Tradition for keeping the Sunday holy;
... Controversial Catechism by Stephen Keenan, New Edition, revised by Rev. George Cormack, published in London by Burns & Oates, Limited - New York, Cincinnati, Chicago: Benzinger Brothers, 1896, pages 6, 7.
 

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I guess you've not heard of Gods Ten Commandments and Christ reaffirming them in the New Testament....


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Perhaps you'll quote which of the Ten Commandments states, "Thou must publicly worship God on Saturday and art forbidden to do so on any other day." I can't find it in my Bible;.

I can find verses in the NT about how days aren't commanded.




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The Creator reaffirms what He made for man at Creation..
Mark 2:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath.
 
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