Absent fruits signal the absence of faith

Lamb · Dec 3, 2019

pinacled said:
Our flesh no longer bears record.
The spirit of Torah is what does.
Love, Joy and more fulfills the Torah in spirit.

You are correct that God does not keep a record...but it's for those who believe in the Messiah since He died for the forgiveness of our sins. And we, as believers bear more fruit because of that forgiveness. It's that sweet Gospel truth that has reconciled us to God, redeeming us from sin and eternal hell.

pinacled · Dec 3, 2019

Lämmchen said:
You are correct that God does not keep a record...but it's for those who believe in the Messiah since He died for the forgiveness of our sins. And we, as believers bear more fruit because of that forgiveness. It's that sweet Gospel truth that has reconciled us to God, redeeming us from sin and eternal hell.

Which also is revealed in the wine a person offers in fellowship.

Lamb · Dec 4, 2019

pinacled said:
Which also is revealed in the wine a person offers in fellowship.

What are you referring to in the "Which also"?

pinacled · Dec 4, 2019

Lämmchen said:
What are you referring to in the "Which also"?

At one point in the past.
A king of yhdh(Judah) laid heavy burdens on the flock(Israel as a whole) and further denied the Torah in spirit.
Eventually another king rose and doubled the past burdens of his forebearer.

Wine pressing the poor is unacceptable.

Lamb · Dec 4, 2019

pinacled said:
At one point in the past.
A king of yhdh(Judah) laid heavy burdens on the flock(Israel as a whole) and further denied the Torah in spirit.
Eventually another king rose and doubled the past burdens of his forebearer.

Wine pressing the poor is unacceptable.

Well thanks be to God our burden is lifted by Jesus who paid the price of our sin!

pinacled · Dec 4, 2019

Lämmchen said:
Well thanks be to God our burden is lifted by Jesus who paid the price of our sin!

Amen,
Galatians 3
In perspective of burdens to carry.
What had the Lord instructed us to provide for our neighbors besides natural amenities.

Blessings Always.

Lamb · Dec 4, 2019

pinacled said:
Amen,
Galatians 3
In perspective of burdens to carry.
What had the Lord instructed us to provide for our neighbors besides natural amenities.

Blessings Always.

If this has anything to do with the topic, if an Atheist shows love to his neighbor but has no faith in the Savior, he is not bearing fruit. He's not from the right tree.

pinacled · Dec 5, 2019

Lämmchen said:
If this has anything to do with the topic, if an Atheist shows love to his neighbor but has no faith in the Savior, he is not bearing fruit. He's not from the right tree.

Romans 2

Ears, eyes, hands, and feet are observable when discernment in the spirit is freely offered.
A tree is known by it's fruit.

Lamb · Dec 5, 2019

pinacled said:
Romans 2

Ears, eyes, hands, and feet are observable when discernment in the spirit is freely offered.
A tree is known by it's fruit.

Okay, now look at the other verses that are similar about trees and fruits. Look at Matthew for instance in 7 and 12 where Jesus talks about good trees that can't bear evil fruit but a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Only those with faith in the Savior can be called "good". Those who do not have Jesus are still corrupt and their fruit cannot be good. Unbelief can NEVER be called good.

pinacled · Dec 5, 2019

Lämmchen said:
Okay, now look at the other verses that are similar about trees and fruits. Look at Matthew for instance in 7 and 12 where Jesus talks about good trees that can't bear evil fruit but a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Only those with faith in the Savior can be called "good". Those who do not have Jesus are still corrupt and their fruit cannot be good. Unbelief can NEVER be called good.

I agree in a sense

Unbelief in the aspect of doubt is remedial given circumstances.
If I recall correctly, even Sarah doubted a Word at one time.
Personally I see doubt as temporal.
And only those who harden their heart against such are unworthy of conversation.

But what do I know

Lamb · Dec 5, 2019

pinacled said:
I agree in a sense

Unbelief in the aspect of doubt is remedial given circumstances.
If I recall correctly, even Sarah doubted a Word at one time.
Personally I see doubt as temporal.
And only those who harden their heart against such are unworthy of conversation.

But what do I know

Doubt is not unbelief since doubt shows that there is still some faith remaining that desires proof. Thomas doubted and Jesus didn't condemn him but instead increased Thomas' faith by saying “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Atheists don't "doubt"...they outright reject.

pinacled · Dec 8, 2019

Lämmchen said:
Doubt is not unbelief since doubt shows that there is still some faith remaining that desires proof. Thomas doubted and Jesus didn't condemn him but instead increased Thomas' faith by saying “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Atheists don't "doubt"...they outright reject.

No,
Skeptismal thoughts are a form of leaven that pervade many.
It is only the few that abide in the true vine that deny and purge leaven with an whole amor that enter the olam habah(eternal kingdom)

There is more to fruits of the spirit in others that you need to see sis.

Keen eyes

Lamb · Dec 8, 2019

pinacled said:
No,
Skeptismal thoughts are a form of leaven that pervade many.
It is only the few that abide in the true vine that deny and purge leaven with an whole amor that enter the olam habah(eternal kingdom)

There is more to fruits of the spirit in others that you need to see sis.

Keen eyes

God WANTS us to have assurance in faith and that's why giving the Gospel is so very necessary! Jesus didn't give Thomas more law, He was there in front of Him...the Gospel right there for Thomas to see and put his hands on.

psalms 91 · Dec 8, 2019

To me it is simple, no fruit, no salvation

pinacled · Dec 9, 2019

psalms 91 said:
To me it is simple, no fruit, no salvation

Agreed

pinacled · Dec 9, 2019

Lämmchen said:
God WANTS us to have assurance in faith and that's why giving the Gospel is so very necessary! Jesus didn't give Thomas more law, He was there in front of Him...the Gospel right there for Thomas to see and put his hands on.

Thomas shoes are rarely found ..
As for Torah (law) being fulfilled in a sound message.

You need only Listen to fruits sis.

Blessings Always

Lamb · Dec 9, 2019

pinacled said:
Thomas shoes are rarely found ..
As for Torah (law) being fulfilled in a sound message.

You need only Listen to fruits sis.

Blessings Always

Fruit comes because of the Gospel. Do you agree?

ImaginaryDay2 · Dec 10, 2019

Lämmchen said:
Fruit comes because of the Gospel. Do you agree?

Fruit is the work of the Spirit, not because of the Gospel. It is the opposite of the "works of the flesh"

Lamb · Dec 11, 2019

ImaginaryDay2 said:
Fruit is the work of the Spirit, not because of the Gospel. It is the opposite of the "works of the flesh"

The Spirit is in us only because of the Gospel.

pinacled · Dec 11, 2019

Lämmchen said:
Fruit comes because of the Gospel. Do you agree?

I agree that faith without works is dead.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+8&version=CJB

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