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    Christian Theology - Thread: Modern Worship Movement

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      Modern Worship Movement

      This is an interesting article about modern worship. I don't sing, except alone in my car when I am on the highway so no one hears me, but I do know that it's harder and harder to find worship music that is scripture-based and focuses on God rather than evoking a temporary emotional state. It's possible to worship God even when we don't "feel" it, or even when we don't feel close to him, we're upset with life, etc, and express worship as a matter of fact when it's focused on him rather than on this earth, this life, this self.

      Here's what one worship artist says:
      https://www.christianpost.com/news/k...424nHkMSKKxA1k

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      He makes many good points - much modern "Christian" music is either devoid of useful theology or, worse, full of either drivel or outright theological falsehoods. Much of it is little more than creating an emotional high that masquerades as God's presence, which then leaves people vulnerable to wondering why God's presence has been withdrawn from them when the reality is nothing more than the emotional euphoria has faded.

      It is curious that he should then talk so highly of the song "Silent Night", especially in the context of the question "is this true?". We like our romanticised version of the nativity, with Mary and Joseph standing either side of the baby Jesus in a nice clean manger, with a token cow or sheep nearby. The reality is that a working manger wouldn't contain nice clean straw, the animals would have smelled like, well, farm animals and the night would have been anything but silent.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Lutherans have been fighting about modern emotional music with others for years now and one thing pastors are telling people is to listen to who is running the verbs besides the Jesus is my boyfriend garbage that is put out there ugh. As a Lutheran I expect deeply scriptural music and not weak repetitive songs that are good up on a movie projector screen (we use hymnals at my church).
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus


      1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

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      Of course, there should be checks and balances. Lyrics should be checked for sound doctrine, but a joyful sound can be music to God, a sigh a relief from a believer can say so much.

      Singing connects us emotionally. Songs of celebration have the power to lead us to dance. Songs of lament have the power to lead us to tears. Music has a way of piercing into the deep parts of our soul, that assists in our expression and response to God and to the church.

      https://www.samford.edu/worship-arts...in-Worship.pdf

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      Quote Originally Posted by vince284 View Post
      Of course, there should be checks and balances. Lyrics should be checked for sound doctrine, but a joyful sound can be music to God, a sigh a relief from a believer can say so much.

      Singing connects us emotionally. Songs of celebration have the power to lead us to dance. Songs of lament have the power to lead us to tears. Music has a way of piercing into the deep parts of our soul, that assists in our expression and response to God and to the church.
      But in worship, we ought not to be pleasing ourselves rather than praising God or affirming our devotion to Him, etc.

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      Praise we give to God and He inhabits the praises of His people and worship is when God works in us and does many marvelous things
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      But in worship, we ought not to be pleasing ourselves rather than praising God or affirming our devotion to Him, etc.
      I agree, I didn't say anything about pleasing ourselves in this context. However, how do we know God accepts any of our songs. Which sounds are more righteous than others? There will be a New Song which only a few will be able to learn. Revelation 14:3

      https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/A-New-Song

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Praise we give to God and He inhabits the praises of His people and worship is when God works in us and does many marvelous things
      That puts a charming face on those terms, but neither definition is correct.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      That puts a charming face on those terms, but neither definition is correct.
      Hmmm the bible says He inhabits the praises of His people so argue with that and as for worship I know that is wjhen God has done many wonderful things for me and others so I guess I dont accept that as wrong either.
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by vince284 View Post
      However, how do we know God accepts any of our songs.
      We know that He accepts His own Word found in scripture because it feeds us (giving and strengthening faith) so songs that are from scripture (without botching and inserting theology that isn't there) is acceptable to Him.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus


      1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

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