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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: An Atheists works are not good

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      An Atheists works are not good

      We think in human terms of good and bad instead of God's terms of what good and bad is and that's according to His Holy Law. You can't just obey parts of the Law for it to be good. You need to do it perfectly...without sin.

      So when an atheist does something that we as humans see is good, it is still not good enough in God's eyes because it is not done in faith of our Lord. The reason is that those who have faith are clothed in Christ's righteousness and when God sees our works, He sees what His Son has done perfectly for us. Which is why the sheep are judged Not Guilty and the goats are judged Guilty.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus


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      I would add that no human works, whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist, etc., are good. All our works are as filthy rags. It is only the imputed righteousness of Christ Jesus that causes our works to be of any value.

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      It is IMPOSSIBLE to please God apart from faith. I read that in a good book.
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      Which is worse?

      The atheist who does good from the potential GOD gave them; even apart from having ever heard and believed in the man Jesus; or the supposed faithful priest supposedly clothed in the righteousness of GOD who secretly sodomizes young children?

      He proclaims the name of the man Jesus though his heart is far from the Word of GOD and the anointing of HIS Spirit; while the atheist; relying on his conscience, is genuinely compassionate, caring, giving without expectation of return, defends and does for those he sees in need to the best of his ability. In your opinion; which will be judged as pleasing to GOD; if either? Please go into detail about your reasonings. And please do feel free to posit some scripture.

      Interesting topic.

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      Which is worse?

      The atheist who does good from the potential GOD gave them; even apart from having ever heard and believed in the man Jesus; or the supposed faithful priest supposedly clothed in the righteousness of GOD who secretly sodomizes young children?

      He proclaims the name of the man Jesus though his heart is far from the Word of GOD and the anointing of HIS Spirit; while the atheist; relying on his conscience, is genuinely compassionate, caring, giving without expectation of return, defends and does for those he sees in need to the best of his ability. In your opinion; which will be judged as pleasing to GOD; if either? Please go into detail about your reasonings. And please do feel free to posit some scripture.

      Interesting topic.

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      They both would be found guilty.
      "Lord Lord" is not enough for a sinner to recite for his charges of guilt to be expunged, and being a "blessed" good natured atheists is well.. left to the Mercy of God, we as mortal men and women cannot see beyond the dark glass that confronts us, His eyes are not our eyes, we may know to some extent as to the nature of ones fruitfulness but behind closed doors we can only have faith that God alone searches the hearts of men.
      Hypothetical stories are invalid to men, even if you could name them and Identify the atheist and christian you cannot stamp Gods mark or the Beast mark on anyone, that's God's sovereign domain to righteously judge others not ours.. we would judge such a sinful priests out of the congregation obviously, his shame would be necessary as he shames the Name of Christ, but as for who is such and such.. only God knows, we may know of ourselves and we may judge fruitfulness and declare anathema but in the end we would have no clue of who's hearts have truly repented.. perhaps the atheist truly repents on his death bed, and same for the sinning priest.. If Hitler truly repented and his heart was convicted by the Spirit, we wouldn't even know, kind of doubt he did if he killed himself..

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      When we come to understand that in Eph 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 Paul is speaking concerning the “works” of the Law of Moses, not of decent, moral behavior; we begin to see how the great multitude of passages that tell us we all (especially church-goers) will be judged and recompensed “according to our works” fit perfectly into God’s plan of redemption.

      Furthermore, when we realize that the First Resurrection saints - who were found “worthy” in this life, because they obeyed the commandments of Christ, walked in repentance, and truly “overcame” – are standing with Christ Jesus at the great Judgment of the nations which are gathered before them (the Second Resurrection), we come to know that the bulk of those welcomed into the Kingdom, based on their good works, actually never knew Jesus in this Life, or perhaps had accepted a different Christ.

      Having been a disciple now since last Century, and visiting and ministering in churches around this nation, I know what is commonly believed, and the traditions of man that have greatly infiltrated the churches at large.
      May we come to set aside the religious filters, seek the mind of Christ and allow His Spirit to truly “guide us into all Truth.”

      Looking at Jesus Parable solely from a Scriptural standpoint, I shared what the Lord gave me concerning the “sheep” and “goats” of the nations, and their destiny.

      God’s Wisdom and Understanding to all,
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      Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      Atheists, no matter how much they work and think it's good will not have eternal life with God, they are damned according to Jesus.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
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      1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

      Atheists, no matter how much they work and think it's good will not have eternal life with God, they are damned according to Jesus.
      Atheist is not unbeliever.

      An unbeliever is one who has heard and turned from the Word; not one who has yet to have been persuaded.

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      Atheist is not unbeliever.

      An unbeliever is one who has heard and turned from the Word; not one who has yet to have been persuaded.

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      That is your definition. An unbeliever doesn't believe no matter what.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
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      1 John 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.

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      Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
      Atheist is not unbeliever.

      An unbeliever is one who has heard and turned from the Word; not one who has yet to have been persuaded.

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      Amen.

      Man's traditions of Heaven & Hell; salvation = eternal Life; and belief = faith - which are not found in the Bible - have overtaken much church theology and left the masses ignorant of the understanding of God's Word.
      (And this is not meant as an insult, just stating what is evident in our religion today.)

      As Paul emphasizes often, and Jude plainly writes, God destroyed the many who had been "saved" because they did not "believe" all that God commanded them. Belief in a "Savior" is not enough.

      "But I want to remind you, though you once knew this, that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe." - Jude 1:5

      To "believe" Jesus, means to believe in ALL that He taught, including Repentance, Obedience, actual Righteousness and a walk Worthy of Him. Without the Holy Spirit, which God only gives to "those who obey Him", so many mistakenly think that a mere mental assent to the fact that Jesus existed, died and rose again is equivalent to the "belief" that Jesus says is required, which is a continual ongoing, ever growing communion with the Savior, the One who must also be our Lord if we hope to inherit Eternal Life.


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      "having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” - Heb 5:9
      "let no one deceive you. The one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous" - 1John 3:7
      Indeed, our Eternal lot is determined by our obedience and our behavior. (mdb)

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