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      The christian response to global warming

      this article is from the NASA web site

      "The current warming trend is of particular significance because most of it is extremely likely (greater than 95 percent probability) to be the result of human activity since the mid-20th century and proceeding at a rate that is unprecedented over decades to millennia.1
      Earth-orbiting satellites and other technological advances have enabled scientists to see the big picture, collecting many different types of information about our planet and its climate on a global scale. This body of data, collected over many years, reveals the signals of a changing climate.
      The heat-trapping nature of carbon dioxide and other gases was demonstrated in the mid-19th century.2 Their ability to affect the transfer of infrared energy through the atmosphere is the scientific basis of many instruments flown by NASA. There is no question that increased levels of greenhouse gases must cause the Earth to warm in response.
      Ice cores drawn from Greenland, Antarctica, and tropical mountain glaciers show that the Earth’s climate responds to changes in greenhouse gas levels. Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks. This ancient, or paleoclimate, evidence reveals that current warming is occurring roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming."

      https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

      What are your thoughts about what our response should be as Christians to global warming?

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      Whatever articles are presented, when the voices that shout the loudest about global warming belong to the same people who operate private jets it's really hard to take it very seriously. When just about every proposed solution begins with "introduce a new tax on..." it's hard to take it seriously.

      Frankly if people who keep banging on about global warming aren't prepared to live like the Amish it's hard to take them very seriously. You know, a billion impoverished people with brown skin in some far-flung country will perish if the sea levels rise but I don't care, I'm off on vacation. Or I'm taking my SUV to work. Because me getting to work conveniently and having a good time is more important than a billion brown people surviving.

      From a purely Christian perspective we have to ask if we believe God's promise that he would never flood the earth again.

      ETA: I should probably stress here that I believe we should be good stewards of the planet God has entrusted to us, I just don't believe the endless obsession over carbon is necessarily a helpful one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Whatever articles are presented, when the voices that shout the loudest about global warming belong to the same people who operate private jets it's really hard to take it very seriously. When just about every proposed solution begins with "introduce a new tax on..." it's hard to take it seriously.

      Frankly if people who keep banging on about global warming aren't prepared to live like the Amish it's hard to take them very seriously. You know, a billion impoverished people with brown skin in some far-flung country will perish if the sea levels rise but I don't care, I'm off on vacation. Or I'm taking my SUV to work. Because me getting to work conveniently and having a good time is more important than a billion brown people surviving.

      From a purely Christian perspective we have to ask if we believe God's promise that he would never flood the earth again.

      ETA: I should probably stress here that I believe we should be good stewards of the planet God has entrusted to us, I just don't believe the endless obsession over carbon is necessarily a helpful one.
      I believe the key issue here is one of stewardship. God put man in charge of taking care of the garden and from what I can see we have pretty much run things into the ground. All the time you hear about the amount of trash in the ocean and the earth warming. I don't see Christians doing much about it. I realize a lot of things are really out of our control, but what about just making an effort to recycle or walk when you can or ride a bike instead of driving

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I believe the key issue here is one of stewardship. God put man in charge of taking care of the garden and from what I can see we have pretty much run things into the ground. All the time you hear about the amount of trash in the ocean and the earth warming. I don't see Christians doing much about it. I realize a lot of things are really out of our control, but what about just making an effort to recycle or walk when you can or ride a bike instead of driving
      You're kinda roaming all over the place with your complaints now, aren't you? Supposedly, your own choice of topic was global warming.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I believe the key issue here is one of stewardship. God put man in charge of taking care of the garden and from what I can see we have pretty much run things into the ground. All the time you hear about the amount of trash in the ocean and the earth warming. I don't see Christians doing much about it. I realize a lot of things are really out of our control, but what about just making an effort to recycle or walk when you can or ride a bike instead of driving
      I agree, global warming is as real as the signs in revelation, this means that the majority have fallen away or else this is all just our imaginations.
      Politicians ranting and raving about climate change and buying bet boats and jets, Evangelicals preaching the teachings of Jesus yet buying expensive sports cars and jets... the mirror of hypocrisy..
      Read revelations and you will see global warming/climate change spelt out for you up and down and side to side, are these not the signs and plagues prepared for the heretical generation and brood of vipers?
      This means that out of all the professing Christians out there right now, only about a 3rd are marked by God, we are not to look forward to this great and terrible day because that means the mass has fallen away.
      Capitalism in my opinion needs a reformation, they need to realign their moral compass because the greed of those powers that be are dodging the crisis and hiding from cave to cave while plowing through expensive goods and riches before they die and not giving a darn about generations to come... and most conservatives don't bat an eye, we say it's fine the way it is because at least it's not socialism, but they still need to be shaken up and reformed, probably won't happen, greed is the root of all evil and Christians should be appalled by how progressive it has become..
      Meanwhile the Amazon is up in flames but hey that's news to me too...

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      I believe the key issue here is one of stewardship. God put man in charge of taking care of the garden and from what I can see we have pretty much run things into the ground. All the time you hear about the amount of trash in the ocean and the earth warming. I don't see Christians doing much about it. I realize a lot of things are really out of our control, but what about just making an effort to recycle or walk when you can or ride a bike instead of driving
      Many people do many of those things.

      I remember a friend who was notionally far more "environmentally conscious" than I was. He ticked the boxes as far as people could see. One evening we were at a party and there were a load of bottles waiting to be rinsed and put in the recycling. So he turned the tap on, rinsed each bottle in turn, and put the whole lot in the recycling. All well and good, but the amount of drinking quality water he used was substantial given the task. The next load of bottles surprised him - I part-filled one from the tap and turned the tap off. Then I poured that water from one to the next to the next, at which point he asked "are you serious about this?" (he could see the answer). He'd let several gallons of water pour down the sink as he rinsed the last drops of liquid out of empty bottles. I used maybe 12oz of water to do the same thing.

      At my last house I periodically got letters from my gas company inviting me to take an energy survey so they could help me save money. In the UK we set the thermostat in degrees Celsius so numbers appear lower than in the US. The first question asked what temperature I set my thermostat, with options to tick from 20 to 25 degrees (approximately 68-78 degrees F). My answer was 18 degrees (about 65 degrees F), so I figured there probably wasn't much point answering the rest of the questions.

      Much of what we can do to reduce is the sort of thing that doesn't generate great fanfare. It might score "good citizen" points to be seen taking a sackful of plastic to the recycling but it's better not to use the plastic in the first place. Not using it is far better, socially and environmentally speaking, but nobody sees it. Simply opting out from much of the overdone commercialism saves a huge amount of waste, not to mention a huge amount of money, but unless someone notices your lifestyle is fairly simple it slips under the radar, so you still get the occasional lecture from the person who flies every month but thinks everybody else should drive an electric vehicle to save carbon emissions.

      The key thing is stewardship overall. It's all well and good to recycle but better to use less. It doesn't help anyone to plant a tree if you're going through single use plastic like there's no tomorrow. Recycling cans is great but if you're driving a honking great SUV that gets 11mpg you're missing the point. Solar power and batteries are great, but they require mining that pollutes the land where the mining takes place. Of course that bit is out of sight, so the person who drives a battery powered car can ignore the environmental damage caused by digging lithium out of the ground and lecture people about carbon emissions, even as they recharge their battery powered car using electricity from a coal-fired power station.

      As a rule anything that focuses intently on a single issue is probably missing the point somewhere.
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      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
      I agree, global warming is as real as the signs in revelation, this means that the majority have fallen away or else this is all just our imaginations.
      I don't know that I'd describe the current/recent changes to the climate as being even remotely close to the events described in Revelation.

      Politicians ranting and raving about climate change and buying bet boats and jets, Evangelicals preaching the teachings of Jesus yet buying expensive sports cars and jets... the mirror of hypocrisy.
      Hypocrisy isn't a new thing. It's easy to spot these days as people preach one message while demonstrating they don't believe a word of it, although the irony of those people then wondering why nobody else believes their message seems more of a new thing.

      Read revelations and you will see global warming/climate change spelt out for you up and down and side to side, are these not the signs and plagues prepared for the heretical generation and brood of vipers?
      Really? I don't see the current observations matching the warnings of the Revelation. Yes, when the sixth bowl is poured out the sun will burn people but that's a far cry from the global temperature being projected to rise by 2 degrees Celsius in the next 20-30 years.


      This means that out of all the professing Christians out there right now, only about a 3rd are marked by God, we are not to look forward to this great and terrible day because that means the mass has fallen away.
      The two aren't related. You're mixing and matching verses as if one implies another.

      Capitalism in my opinion needs a reformation, they need to realign their moral compass because the greed of those powers that be are dodging the crisis and hiding from cave to cave while plowing through expensive goods and riches before they die and not giving a darn about generations to come... and most conservatives don't bat an eye, we say it's fine the way it is because at least it's not socialism, but they still need to be shaken up and reformed, probably won't happen, greed is the root of all evil and Christians should be appalled by how progressive it has become.
      Ironically much of capitalism isn't based on greed, it's based on wanting to create a better life for yourself. You work in order to receive a reward. You hire people to work for you so you can make more money. The most conspicuous of consumption is the froth on the top rather then indicative of the purpose of the philosophy. Is it greedy to plant seeds in the hope of reaping a harvest?

      Equally, if not more, ironic is that many of the people who decry capitalism are showing more greed than many of the capitalists. They want it all, they want it now, and they want someone else to pay for it. In other words, I want it and I expect you to pay for it. How is that any less greedy than what they are criticising? Much of the desire of the people wanting socialism is nothing more than the politics of spite and envy. You worked hard for it but I want it, so I'll take it. If sowing seeds in the hope of a harvest is greedy, how much more greedy is it to expect to reap where you never sowed in the first place?

      Meanwhile the Amazon is up in flames but hey that's news to me too...
      Forest fires are nothing new.
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      "if My people who are called by My name
      will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face,
      and turn from their wicked ways,
      then I will hear from heaven,
      and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

      - 2Chron 7:14

      Indeed there is a "global warming" coming, but not because of aerosol, refrigerant and cow farts... but because of sin.

      "The Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?" - 2Pet 3:10-12

      Andrew touched on the solution in his blog - GLOBAL WARMING: A CALL TO REPENT!! And I've been sharing on Repentance as well (to the irritation of many). But from the Scripture, including the Kingdom Truth above from 2Chron 7:14, the answer to the problems the creation is experiencing is for God's people, the Church to "STOP SINNING."

      Worrying or campaigning against pollution and natural gas is NOT going to change a single thing. Only True Biblical Repentance is going to have any real effect on the physical realm in which we dwell.
      And again, God is not waiting for the heathen to repent, but for His Church to "wake up" and "turn from our wicked ways."

      Instead of eliminating Styrofoam cups and hairspray, and raking in billions from emissions regulations... we need to cast aside the "hyper-grace" and "Jesus did it all" false doctrines by which some "teachers' today are raking in millions; embrace what the Scripture clearly states; and actually DO what God commands in His Word. For only then can God heal our land and bring restoration to His creation.

      "For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." - Rom 8:19-22

      So... what should our response be as disciples of Christ Jesus concerning 'global warming'? STOP SINNING!

      It really is that simple.

      “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
      Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
      Cease to do evil,
      17 Learn to do good;
      Seek justice,
      Rebuke the oppressor;
      Defend the fatherless,
      Plead for the widow."

      - Isaiah 1:16-17
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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      I don't know that I'd describe the current/recent changes to the climate as being even remotely close to the events described in Revelation.



      Hypocrisy isn't a new thing. It's easy to spot these days as people preach one message while demonstrating they don't believe a word of it, although the irony of those people then wondering why nobody else believes their message seems more of a new thing.



      Really? I don't see the current observations matching the warnings of the Revelation. Yes, when the sixth bowl is poured out the sun will burn people but that's a far cry from the global temperature being projected to rise by 2 degrees Celsius in the next 20-30 years.




      The two aren't related. You're mixing and matching verses as if one implies another.



      Ironically much of capitalism isn't based on greed, it's based on wanting to create a better life for yourself. You work in order to receive a reward. You hire people to work for you so you can make more money. The most conspicuous of consumption is the froth on the top rather then indicative of the purpose of the philosophy. Is it greedy to plant seeds in the hope of reaping a harvest?

      Equally, if not more, ironic is that many of the people who decry capitalism are showing more greed than many of the capitalists. They want it all, they want it now, and they want someone else to pay for it. In other words, I want it and I expect you to pay for it. How is that any less greedy than what they are criticising? Much of the desire of the people wanting socialism is nothing more than the politics of spite and envy. You worked hard for it but I want it, so I'll take it. If sowing seeds in the hope of a harvest is greedy, how much more greedy is it to expect to reap where you never sowed in the first place?



      Forest fires are nothing new.
      Capitalism is a great thing and I understand the positive win win it's exactly why we have advanced in so many breakthroughs in overall life expectancy and comfortable living... but should conservatives just ignore statistics? Should we just allow national debt to drown our future generations? When we have other options? Big Pharma can change, Insurance can change, education can change, energy can change ALL without socialism.. my point is greed in high places and it's obvious, I also believe our presence here effects the planet (our environment) many studies prove this. So they both point to Sin, I can recycle and reuse all the day long but I can't trust others to do it so my little achievements do not benefit the whole, although it saves me some money like you said, but free energy used the correct way would be more efficient regardless if it slows down climate change or not.
      Education is lazy, they do not teach you about the real life they tell us questionable history and tell us about greek gods and basic math... Imagine if they taught hospitality and medical fundamentals by graduation, I went to medical school and if you haven't noticed in Hospitals they treat everyone accordingly down to what generation they are and what religion they are... it's the most polite and sanest education I ever received...
      we have no clue how long until Christ returns but I feel we got the attitude of "so what" when it would change the world if conservatives would unite with modernizing the environment with much cleaner air and less hostility. Jesus put hypocrites in their place but he always had a special divine understanding of how a human should behave towards other humans, I just worry so often that Christianity for the most part is losing it's senses.. I surprise atheist all the time when I tell them about what Jesus himself actually spoke and taught, I tell them how he went around answering questions in beautiful parables and he would only speak doom and gloom to those hypocrites full of pride, how he would heal the sick and comfort the poor who are far from perfect and who were sinners...
      So my expression on climate change is that regardless we all know that something is deeply troubling globally, dead fish whales beaching, earthquakes, fires, pigs jumping off cliffs, blood rain and rivers, volcanos, ground breaking open, massive surge of hurricanes floods and tropical storms, etc.. and yes we may see it all because we are overloaded with world wide information but it's still right there in the bible that we would experience "knowing and hearing of" these things, I believe it's now that it was speaking of.
      And no wonder, Christianity is luke warm, persecutions of Christians are every else but here yet we complain and throw stones at sinners..

      Meh.. *sips tea calmly*

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      Quote Originally Posted by Michael View Post
      "if My people who are called by My name
      will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face,
      and turn from their wicked ways,
      then I will hear from heaven,
      and will forgive their sin and heal their land."

      - 2Chron 7:14

      Indeed there is a "global warming" coming, but not because of aerosol, refrigerant and cow farts... but because of sin.

      "The Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?" - 2Pet 3:10-12

      Andrew touched on the solution in his blog - GLOBAL WARMING: A CALL TO REPENT!! And I've been sharing on Repentance as well (to the irritation of many). But from the Scripture, including the Kingdom Truth above from 2Chron 7:14, the answer to the problems the creation is experiencing is for God's people, the Church to "STOP SINNING."

      Worrying or campaigning against pollution and natural gas is NOT going to change a single thing. Only True Biblical Repentance is going to have any real effect on the physical realm in which we dwell.
      And again, God is not waiting for the heathen to repent, but for His Church to "wake up" and "turn from our wicked ways."

      Instead of eliminating Styrofoam cups and hairspray, and raking in billions from emissions regulations... we need to cast aside the "hyper-grace" and "Jesus did it all" false doctrines by which some "teachers' today are raking in millions; embrace what the Scripture clearly states; and actually DO what God commands in His Word. For only then can God heal our land and bring restoration to His creation.

      "For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now." - Rom 8:19-22

      So... what should our response be as disciples of Christ Jesus concerning 'global warming'? STOP SINNING!

      It really is that simple.

      “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
      Put away the evil of your doings from before My eyes.
      Cease to do evil,
      17 Learn to do good;
      Seek justice,
      Rebuke the oppressor;
      Defend the fatherless,
      Plead for the widow."

      - Isaiah 1:16-17
      I agree Michael!
      My point exactly is that we should not misinterpret these signs as delightful but as a signaling from God to His people that we are become lukewarm, feeding the greedy by ignoring the hope that we can overcome and restore our sanction and stand up to injustice even if it means persecution for the time is NOT APPOINTED! It could be another thousand years for all we know but we need to see the signs as a warning and calling "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE"
      Sadly so many have become bewitched by joining the crowd of "how much longer Lord will you continue us to suffer??" I say for a time, times and half a time! Stop giving in and look around and be vigilant to stop injustice! Mankind needs you

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