Warren climbs into second in polls

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Elizabeth Warren has become the second leading candidate among Democrats overtaking Bernie Sanders in the latest polls. Biden still is in the lead

"A new Fox News Poll finds Biden continues to lead the nomination race with the support of 31 percent of Democratic primary voters. Next is Elizabeth Warren at 20 percent, Bernie Sanders at 10 percent, and Kamala Harris at 8 percent"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...climbs-into-second/ar-AAFRoix?ocid=spartandhp

Does this surprise you?
 

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I think that if the Democrats truly want to win this that they need a candidate that isn't entirely "Democrat" in thinking so as to lure some Republicans to their side. Republicans don't want a long time career politician that hasn't helped the country thus far.
 

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first and foremost the Democrats want someone who will beat Trump. That is who ultimately they want to nominate. Both Biden and Warren's numbers against Trump look pretty good. I think if the economy starts to tank then the Democrats lead will only grow
 

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first and foremost the Democrats want someone who will beat Trump. That is who ultimately they want to nominate. Both Biden and Warren's numbers against Trump look pretty good. I think if the economy starts to tank then the Democrats lead will only grow

The numbers said the question wasn't whether Clinton would beat Trump but whether she'd win by a large or a huge margin.

The Democrat party faithful would vote for whichever candidate the party fields. The issue is which way the swing voters would go, and to be honest I find it hard to imagine swing voters going for the increasingly hard left candidates that the party is fielding.

It's really rather remarkable how the party has gone from "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" in the 1960s, to candidates fighting over who can offer the most free stuff.
 

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first and foremost the Democrats want someone who will beat Trump. That is who ultimately they want to nominate. Both Biden and Warren's numbers against Trump look pretty good. I think if the economy starts to tank then the Democrats lead will only grow

Of course they want Trump out. The problem is that most of them want to offer "free" things and the people know that only means higher taxes and who wants that? I pay a fortune in taxes as it is with federal, state, county, township, property and school taxes. They claim the rich will cover a lot of it but you know that the rich know the loopholes...it will be up to the middle class as usual.
 

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Elizabeth Warren has become the second leading candidate among Democrats overtaking Bernie Sanders in the latest polls. Biden still is in the lead

"A new Fox News Poll finds Biden continues to lead the nomination race with the support of 31 percent of Democratic primary voters. Next is Elizabeth Warren at 20 percent, Bernie Sanders at 10 percent, and Kamala Harris at 8 percent"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...climbs-into-second/ar-AAFRoix?ocid=spartandhp

Does this surprise you?


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Yup after Trump I am pretty sure a Democrat will win hands down and they should if the Republicans are to dumb to put up an alternate candidate
 

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Yup after Trump I am pretty sure a Democrat will win hands down and they should if the Republicans are to dumb to put up an alternate candidate

You do realize with the current Democratic candidates that Trump is a sure win, don't you?
 

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You do realize with the current Democratic candidates that Trump is a sure win, don't you?


The dumbest thing the Democrats could do is put up someone clearly more wacky than Trump.... someone SO far left as to not be American.... and I think that's exactly what they will do. The socialist/communist/wackos have taken control of the Democrat Party.



In 2016, I lost track of the number of people I knew who voted for Trump only because he wasn't Hilary. CLEARLY, that election was AT LEAST a rejection of Hilary as it was an embrace of Trump. What to do about that? Find someone much worse than her to run against him..... That's what the Dems will do, I suspect.

Something else I suspect will come into play next year: Many (including me) didn't vote for Trump because we feared him (maybe too strong a word) - his inexperience, his temperment, his lack of a tract record (and of course, his personal life). We've lived with him and found he ain't that bad. Personally,he's behaved himself better than most presidents (infinitely better than Bill Clinton)... he's proved himself able to get SOME stuff done... we're more at peace than ever in the world.... the economy is doing extremely well.... his Supreme Court nominations ALONE may warrant reelection. And frankly, the ABSURD attacks and personal hatred from the radical left have probably helped Trump. And of course, unlike 4 years ago, there's no on challenging him in his party this time, this time it's the Dems ripping each other apart. I think Trump may have an easier time this time around. Heck, I may vote for him this time (NO WAY I'd vote for ANY of the Dems running,but then last time I voted for no one).



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Of course they want Trump out. The problem is that most of them want to offer "free" things and the people know that only means higher taxes and who wants that? I pay a fortune in taxes as it is with federal, state, county, township, property and school taxes. They claim the rich will cover a lot of it but you know that the rich know the loopholes...it will be up to the middle class as usual.

People want free stuff, figuring Someone Else will pay the higher taxes. When you find that you are the Someone Else, expected to pay for your own stuff while also paying for everyone else's free stuff, it's a less attractive proposition.

As you say, the rich can hire the most expensive accountants and find the loopholes. It seems the worst place to be is middle class - not rich enough to be able to avoid the taxes but rich enough to get hammered every which way.
 

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Yup after Trump I am pretty sure a Democrat will win hands down and they should if the Republicans are to dumb to put up an alternate candidate

Just like Hillary did.

Oh, wait....
 

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The dumbest thing the Democrats could do is put up someone clearly more wacky than Trump.... someone SO far left as to not be American.... and I think that's exactly what they will do. The socialist/communist/wackos have taken control of the Democrat Party.

In 2016, I lost track of the number of people I knew who voted for Trump only because he wasn't Hilary. CLEARLY, that election was AT LEAST a rejection of Hilary as it was an embrace of Trump. What to do about that? Find someone much worse than her to run against him..... That's what the Dems will do, I suspect.

This reminds me of when John McCain nominated Sarah Palin to be his running mate in 2008. The party faithful cheered, but the party faithful are often the ones who would vote for a turnip if it wore the right colored rosette. The trouble was she didn't seem to be overly attractive to the swing voters or moderate Democrats who may have been uncertain about the (then) somewhat low-profile Senator Obama.

The hardcore Democrats, like the hardcore Republicans, will vote for whoever wins the ticket. They probably won't even look at the name on the ballot, they'll just tick the box for a straight party-ticket vote and move on.

With everybody clamoring to offer more Free Stuff it's a great time to be voting, if you're blissfully unaware that voting yourself free stuff is great until you find the system ran out of suckers to pay for it, and all the free stuff you now can't live without just went away, or you find that you're now the sucker expected to pay for Free Stuff for everybody else while not qualifying for any of it yourself.

I suspect the Democrats will finally put up a candidate who is not a straight white male. That way they can pull the same tired stunt they've pulled before and claim that the only reason not to vote for their candidate is racism/sexism/homophobia/whatever. You know, just like the only reason not to vote for Hillary Clinton was sexism but you could vote for someone other than Sarah Palin without being a sexist. Bonus points if they find a black lesbian to run and then they can claim extra discrimination if she doesn't win.

Something else I suspect will come into play next year: Many (including me) didn't vote for Trump because we feared him (maybe too strong a word) - his inexperience, his temperment, his lack of a tract record (and of course, his personal life). We've lived with him and found he ain't that bad. Personally,he's behaved himself better than most presidents (infinitely better than Bill Clinton)... he's proved himself able to get SOME stuff done... we're more at peace than ever in the world.... the economy is doing extremely well.... his Supreme Court nominations ALONE may warrant reelection. And frankly, the ABSURD attacks and personal hatred from the radical left have probably helped Trump. And of course, unlike 4 years ago, there's no on challenging him in his party this time, this time it's the Dems ripping each other apart. I think Trump may have an easier time this time around. Heck, I may vote for him this time (NO WAY I'd vote for ANY of the Dems running,but then last time I voted for no one).

I think the increasingly unhinged anti-Trump rhetoric compared to the simple observation that the country hasn't made the descent into tinpot banana republic status people said would happen if Trump got elected is a good reason to ignore much of what comes from the left these days. Whether the economy is doing well or not very much depends on where you're coming from and your perspective - the stock market is doing well but that doesn't help the people at the lower end of the economic spectrum, we saw the recent yield curve inversion (which may be due to some extent to the government trying to fix the market), precious metals rising sharply suggesting reduced confidence in the dollar as a currency, and so on. If you're someone who owns property and stocks things have been pretty good for the last few years. If you're someone working two jobs and still struggling to make ends meet things aren't so good.

The Supreme Court nominations are something of a sticking point. For people who believe in rule by the Constitution and people with a general conservative leaning they are good nominations. For people with a more liberal leaning, people less worried about what the Constitution says and more worried about what they think it should mean, and the people who want to get guns out of the hands of the people by whatever means it takes, the nominations don't look so good. It shouldn't be surprising that conservatives would widely approve of nominations by a Republican president and liberals would widely disapprove.

I suspect the Democrats will finish their howling and wailing with a candidate who promises the world to everyone, the ultra-woke left will take to social media and howl about how unfair it all is and how the world needs the Democrat candidate to win, and then the silent majority who know they would be left to pick up the tab for it all will reject them. And then the moaning about the Electoral College doing exactly what it was designed to do can start all over again.
 

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Elizabeth Warren has become the second leading candidate among Democrats overtaking Bernie Sanders in the latest polls. Biden still is in the lead

"A new Fox News Poll finds Biden continues to lead the nomination race with the support of 31 percent of Democratic primary voters. Next is Elizabeth Warren at 20 percent, Bernie Sanders at 10 percent, and Kamala Harris at 8 percent"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...climbs-into-second/ar-AAFRoix?ocid=spartandhp

Does this surprise you?
Nope; given the current state of the Democrat Clown Car, this isn't surprising....but this far out? Polls are virtually useless until we get to w/in a month or two of Iowa & New Hampshire.
 

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Nope; given the current state of the Democrat Clown Car, this isn't surprising....but this far out? Polls are virtually useless until we get to w/in a month or two of Iowa & New Hampshire.

I would disagree that they are useless. Campaigns need momentum and they need dollars and good poll numbers influence both
 

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I would disagree that they are useless. Campaigns need momentum and they need dollars and good poll numbers influence both

The trouble is that good poll numbers don't actually mean anything. Look at the polls leading up to the 2016 presidential election - there was never really any doubt that Hillary would win, the only question was whether it would be a big win or a crushing win. We all know how well that turned out for her.
 

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I agree, poll numbers this early don't mean much, even though they do help raise funds. On the other hand, in a crowded field like the Dems now have, being on the top makes you a target for all the rest.


Often, the ultimate nominee comes "out of left field." 18 months before the last election, no one thought Trump would be the nominee of the Republican party. Jimmy Carter.... Bill Clinton.... Obama.... they all were surprise choices that were barely on the radar 16 months prior to the election.


I personally expect Biden to fade fast..... he's too moderate (and incompetent) for the now socialist/communist/uber-liberal Democrats, they will knock him off. So we'll be left with radical leftists; we'll just need to see who floats to the top, and we may not know until next Summer.
 
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