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      Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
      This is a load of pure male bovine excrement. I am sorry to be so blunt but the I regard the truth highly. It is insulting to a legitimate political philosophy (which is exactly what was intended) but beyond that it betrays a profound lack of understanding of Christianity itself.
      I also believe lack of understanding of socialism. I'm not a socialist, but I do fight against social injustice and elitism, and try to level the playing field for those who are in lower classes so they at least have a fighting chance. But I am not sure any political structure is in violations of the ten commandments. We live in a secular world, and we can expect our governments to be secular. That doesn't mean they deliberately go about violating commandments; it simply means that each political structure is attempting to live out the values reflected in society (or the government itself, such as anti-religious societies or where they try to force religious law, for example).

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      Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
      I disagree completely.
      Are you actually going to provide a useful counterargument? If you disagree, how about explaining why you disagree. Do you disagree because you think socialism is a bad thing but not as bad as is being suggested, or do you disagree because you think socialism is a good thing?
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Modern socialism basically took the way the first Christians were living and twisted it by removing God from the equation. The first Christians did hold wealth in common ownership and had several appointed leaders take care of the administrative issues, as we can read in Acts. The point, as far as I understand, was to have all people serve one another according to each person's abilities, and live in peace while waiting for the Messiah to return.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lucian Hodoboc View Post
      Modern socialism basically took the way the first Christians were living and twisted it by removing God from the equation. The first Christians did hold wealth in common ownership and had several appointed leaders take care of the administrative issues, as we can read in Acts. The point, as far as I understand, was to have all people serve one another according to each person's abilities, and live in peace while waiting for the Messiah to return.
      Of course there's a huge difference between sharing voluntarily and being forced to share under government duress. It's interesting to see the parable of the Good Samaritan where the good guy didn't campaign for more government spending on crime victims, he didn't shrug and figure someone else would deal with it, he didn't point out that someone else was "rich" and they should "pay their fair share" of the cost of helping the man, he just got on and did what was needed. Nowhere in Scripture are we told to vote to compel someone else to do the things Jesus told us to do, he told us to get on and do it. If we're not doing it because we've figured someone else should be doing more we're the ones who are not obedient to the call. As Peter said to Ananias and Sapphira, the land they sold was theirs, and once it was sold the money was theirs to do with as they pleased. Even then the problem wasn't that they kept some of the money back for themselves, the problem was that they lied about it.

      Sometimes it seems like what we might give is pitiful compared to what "the rich" could give, but let's not forget we're dealing with the God who fed 5000 people with little more than one man's lunch.
      "Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" - Aleister Crowley

      "If you love me, obey my commandments" - Jesus Christ

      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      Sundays are nice for worship but there are a lot of churches that also might have Saturdays or even Wednesday evenings for worship. So this part of the list doesn't really do much to convince me. I know a lot of people who are cops and nurses and they work on Sundays and are still very much Christians.
      I am one of those nurses. When I was in positions where I had to take my turn working on Sundays., it wasn’t because I despised being in worship. I worked because God called me to this profession and I was doing His will by taking care of His children in need of care.

      Now, in case you didn’t know this, the underground church is alive and well in China. It is important to study the Bible and remember His Word should we be faced with not having access to worship or His Word. By doing this, we can keep ourselves safe in his word as no one can take away from us what is our hearts.

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      With socialism we are either all in for God or all in against God.
      We know from scripture that not all are for God.
      The Muslim world would tell us that sharia law should be imposed in all countries save those who pay the jizya tax, which not only sounds like socialism but of a beast system bent on destroying Christianity, good luck converting Islam to the socialism that atheist dream of, it will not end the belief of "godly" power over "infidels".
      Christians would rather die out than impose socialist democracy over the world or even locally.
      There will be no manmade utopia it's impossible.

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      The OP nailed it in the head. And really that to have socialism in our country. Would be very much a panic mode. It is scarier as it sounds. Other countries that have that, really you have to feel bad and sorry for them.
      Ready for CHRISTmas!

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      Quote Originally Posted by JPPT1974 View Post
      The OP nailed it in the head. And really that to have socialism in our country. Would be very much a panic mode. It is scarier as it sounds. Other countries that have that, really you have to feel bad and sorry for them.
      Please do not feel sorry for Canada --- or Norway or Denmark or Sweden or New Zealand or any of the other nations who have adopted socialist policies. The USA has already adopted some of those policies --- just look at the subsidies paid to oil and other industries. It would seem that the USA has decided that the rich and powerful should be the beneficiaries rather than those who actually need it.

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      Well, The Ten Commandments were never "set in stone". In other words, love comes before the law. However, I don't think this directly relates here.

      Anyway, socialism is a understandable reaction - to the fact - churches have often failed mankind. In other words, quoting Ted Nugent - in one of his books. sort of - "Where is the church helping the downtrodden? No, they're busy making the church more beautiful!".

      O.K., who couldn't possibly argue that the church hasn't lifted a finger in places like Latin America? Did the church ever want the peasants - to be anything more than peasants - or at least, people somewhat out of poverty?

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