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    Christian Theology - Thread: What do you think?

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      What do you think?

      Watch it or don't. Think about it or not. Accept it or reject it. The bible gets to people. And people get to the bible.

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      He is the patron of impossible causes because the scriptural Letter of St. Jude, which he authored, urges Christians to persevere in difficult times.

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      Pretty bad.
      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      I think his proposed resolution is a bit oversimplified. I don't think we can really take all the varying facts and perspectives and just accept them all equally. But overall it's reasonable.

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      I like what Luther wrote on the subject:

      "The Holy Spirit has been blamed for not speaking correctly. He speaks like a drunkard or a fool. He so mixes things up and uses wild, queer words and statements. But it is our fault, who have not understood the language nor known the manner of the prophets. For it cannot be otherwise; the Holy Ghost is wise and makes the prophets also wise. A wise man may be able to speak correctly; that holds true without fail."
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by hedrick View Post
      I think his proposed resolution is a bit oversimplified. I don't think we can really take all the varying facts and perspectives and just accept them all equally. But overall it's reasonable.
      I agree, the last two minutes (more or less) are pleading for "mystery" and "faith" as an alleged solution to errors, inconsistencies, and contradiction that exist in the holy scriptures. But I will grant him praise for recognising that the holy scriptures do not fit the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy description. He's likely reflecting what his professors taught but how accurately he reflects their views is a little questionable. At least he's raised the issue and given a hint about how a Christian might profitably think about solutions.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      Pretty bad.
      How so?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      I like what Luther wrote on the subject:

      "The Holy Spirit has been blamed for not speaking correctly. He speaks like a drunkard or a fool. He so mixes things up and uses wild, queer words and statements. But it is our fault, who have not understood the language nor known the manner of the prophets. For it cannot be otherwise; the Holy Ghost is wise and makes the prophets also wise. A wise man may be able to speak correctly; that holds true without fail."
      Martin Luther seeks a solution in the alleged faults of humankind; in short we get it wrong and the holy scriptures are right. Such is one approach; is it a safe and secure one when you discuss the matter with an atheist or a Christian who has awakened for the first time to the errors, contradictions, and difficulties in the holy scriptures?

      Last week I had a brief discussion with an 86 year old lady who took out her KJV bible (she's KJV only) and asked me "Philip, did you know that Exodus tells about (she is Danish so her English can be slightly eccentric despite being in an English speaking land for 50 years and more) Moses and the elders seeing God? But John says no one has ever seen God how do you explain that?" I will not offer my answer here but it is interesting how people can read the holy scriptures for decades and one day, after a long time of reading and familiarity, they notice something that just doesn't square with their previous attitude towards holy scripture.

      Of course, Atheists and people from non-Christian religions might notice errors in the holy scriptures as soon as they encounter them in book form. It is no easy thing to offer serious and significant comment on what they find.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Martin Luther seeks a solution in the alleged faults of humankind; in short we get it wrong and the holy scriptures are right. Such is one approach; is it a safe and secure one when you discuss the matter with an atheist or a Christian who has awakened for the first time to the errors, contradictions, and difficulties in the holy scriptures?

      Last week I had a brief discussion with an 86 year old lady who took out her KJV bible (she's KJV only) and asked me "Philip, did you know that Exodus tells about (she is Danish so her English can be slightly eccentric despite being in an English speaking land for 50 years and more) Moses and the elders seeing God? But John says no one has ever seen God how do you explain that?" I will not offer my answer here but it is interesting how people can read the holy scriptures for decades and one day, after a long time of reading and familiarity, they notice something that just doesn't square with their previous attitude towards holy scripture.

      Of course, Atheists and people from non-Christian religions might notice errors in the holy scriptures as soon as they encounter them in book form. It is no easy thing to offer serious and significant comment on what they find.
      "Awakened to the errors"? Those errors are man's errors. Not God's.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      "Awakened to the errors"? Those errors are man's errors. Not God's.
      That is one view, yes; perhaps it is what Martin Luther was thinking but the errors in the holy scriptures are human errors too being the result of the human beings who wrote the holy scriptures.
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      sigh when you call Gods word into question you also call into question everything about God a slippery slope. Either you accept it by faith and diligently seek the truth by searching His word and you will find out that it is right but you need the Holy Spirit leading you, not your wisdom
      Isaiah 40:31

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