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    Christian Theology - Thread: Baptism - Is it Innert or Effectual?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Absolutely not - Just the reverse...

      You still have to walk the talk...



      I am speaking from the EOC perspective, which is foreign to you...



      OSAS is totally foreign to the mind of the Ancient Faith...

      Salvation is to be lived or it will be lost...

      As a theanthropic member of the Body of Christ, that living will be tested hard...

      "In the world, you will have tribulations..." [Christ]



      Hebrews shows what awaits the dog returning to his vomitous sins...


      Arsenios
      You seem to contradict yourself without caring.
      At first you said baptism saves. Yet now you say absolutely not, just the reverse.
      It seems as if baptism is merely a temporary payment, but then a person has to keep on paying the dues until death. Even at death, one cannot have any confidence that the payment given to God will be enough to gain entrance to God's throne.
      Is that an accurate summary?
      Last edited by MennoSota; 06-19-2019 at 11:03 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      You seem to contradict yourself without caring.
      At first you said baptism saves. Yet now you say absolutely not, just the reverse.
      It seems as if baptism is merely a temporary payment, but then a person has to keep on paying the dues until death. Even at death, one cannot have any confidence that the payment given to God will be enough to gain entrance to God's throne.
      Is that an accurate summary?
      Not even close...

      We are simply worlds apart in our understanding...

      Vaya con Dio...


      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Not even close...

      We are simply worlds apart in our understanding...

      Vaya con Dio...


      Arsenios
      Not necessarily in understanding (but maybe). I am not following your wording. What you say comes across as muddled double-speak.
      What I get is that God accomplishes, but men destroy what God accomplishes so that it really isn't fully accomplished.

      For me, God accomplishes what he promises. End of story.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Not necessarily in understanding (but maybe). I am not following your wording. What you say comes across as muddled double-speak.
      What I get is that God accomplishes, but men destroy what God accomplishes so that it really isn't fully accomplished.

      For me, God accomplishes what he promises. End of story.
      That is a good place to leave the discussion...

      You understand that God's Gift cannot be lost no matter what a man may do...

      I understand that to keep the Gift man must persevere in the Faith to the end...

      Does this sum it up?


      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      That is a good place to leave the discussion...

      This is a wise statement.

      There are times when members need to know that they have exhausted all that they can say in a thread about their beliefs because after that it becomes repetitive for pages on end and to tell you the truth, who wants to read through that?

      Are there any new theological thoughts that can be added to this thread?
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      That is a good place to leave the discussion...

      You understand that God's Gift cannot be lost no matter what a man may do...

      I understand that to keep the Gift man must persevere in the Faith to the end...

      Does this sum it up?


      Arsenios
      I understand that the gift also includes the gift to persevere in faith. When God promises, he does not fail. When we fail, God does not hold that failure against us. God still upholds his promise and God's grace walks us through our failure. We see this process from Adam onward in the lives of the saints. All the saints failed miserably. God's grace and promise lifted up those saints and pushed them forward to persevere.

      Perhaps our biggest difference is that you perceive the path to be on your own, without God's ordained assistance, while I see the path to be fully directed by God and promised by God unto completion. When I fail, God will pick me up, encourage me and walk beside me to the throne room. In essence, we can not, not, persevere when we are adopted children of the King of Kings.

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      Yup, I think we're done here, too.


      MennoSota (and those embracing the Baptist dogmas of baptism) have had EIGHTEEN PAGES to give their list of Scriptures and quotes to support their 16th Century dogma that (water) Baptism is largely inert, ineffectual, only "an outward SYMBOL of a personal, inner accomplishment." And they did not. I think it is safe to conclude they didn't because they don't have anything.


      Those supporting the historic, traditional, orthodox view have shared their Scriptures and proven the universal, ecumenical faith. Hopefully, some now better understand the perspective.


      Yup, since "the other side" has made it abundantly clear they have nothing here too, there's no reason to continue.




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      We are justified by works - just not our own.

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      I think with the OP's agreement that this thread has run its course that it should be closed. If anyone has some new scripture to add, PM me and I'll open the thread back up for further discussion.
      "Christianity does not require more work but more trust." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "Bearing fruit does not make you a branch. A branch is a branch because it grows from the vine." Pr. Jonathan Fisk
      "A Christian's life is not defined by what the Christian does. It is defined by Christ and what He has done for us." Pr. Rolf David Preus

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