California Dems want to give full health care to illegals

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-democrats-full-health-benefits-illegal-immigrants-trump

"Under an agreement between Gov. Gavin Newsom and Democrats in the state legislature, low-income adults between the ages of 19 and 25 living in California illegally would be eligible for California’s Medicaid program, known as Medi-Cal. The deal emerged as part of a broader $213 billion budget."

"To pay for part of it, the state agreed to start taxing people who don’t have health insurance."

Seriously??????
 

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This I have mixed feelings about. I really dont like the idea of doing this but at the same time they need care till they can be sent back. I also dont like the idea of taxing those who dont have insurance as they probably dont have it because of cost to start with. On the whole the more I think about it the more i think this is a bad idea
 

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This I have mixed feelings about. I really dont like the idea of doing this but at the same time they need care till they can be sent back. I also dont like the idea of taxing those who dont have insurance as they probably dont have it because of cost to start with. On the whole the more I think about it the more i think this is a bad idea

Well, yeah, they're punishing our poor people to make themselves look good to the world by saying they'll take care of them. But that's the wrong attitude. We need to first provide for our own. I like the idea of some time of universal or single payer for our country but I don't want to pay a fortune in taxes for it.
 

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Streets lined with homeless citizens but they can find the money to provide health care to people who shouldn't be there? And then they probably wonder why the illegals keep coming.
 

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Well, yeah, they're punishing our poor people to make themselves look good to the world by saying they'll take care of them. But that's the wrong attitude. We need to first provide for our own. I like the idea of some time of universal or single payer for our country but I don't want to pay a fortune in taxes for it.
Its going to be one or the other: do without a universal health care program or have huge tax increases if we go that way.
 

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Its going to be one or the other: do without a universal health care program or have huge tax increases if we go that way.

I've read a couple of reports (I forget the links, although they didn't seem to be overtly partisan one way or the other) that suggested that universal healthcare wouldn't cost as much as people might expect. When people are already paying north of $1000/month in premiums and still on the hook for a $5000 deductible per person, that means that even a couple in poor health are potentially out of pocket to the tune of $22,000pa just in healthcare expenses. It doesn't seem like a huge leap of faith to figure that a centrally funded system could be achieved much more cheaply than the existing system. Of course whether the same governments that provide the VA and the DMV could actually achieve something that didn't cost twice as much for a service half as good is another matter.

One thing that is striking about the US system is just how much some drugs can cost. Some years ago I was in the US and needed some medication, which was prescription only and even then would cost $150. It wasn't urgent, so I waited until I was back in England and bought it over the counter at the pharmacy for less than $10.

A major downside with something that is publicly funded is that it ends up being used as a political football whichever party is in power, and anything funded by the government typically ends up riddled with inefficiency and waste if not outright corruption. And then you get some of the increasing silliness like we saw with the NHS in England, where the government is quite happy taking billions in taxes from smokers but then turn around and try to deny treatment for smoking-related issues on the NHS. A few years back they came up with the grand idea of denying treatment to overweight people, although strangely didn't offer any tax reduction to offset the loss of service provision. And it comes with similar issues related to rationing, where in some areas you can get cosmetic surgery on the NHS, in some areas you can get IVF, and in other areas you struggle to get certain cancer treatments.

It's great to know that if you are involved in something nasty you won't get an even nastier bill for medical treatment, it's great to know that if you are rushed to hospital following a heart attack or something you don't have anyone playing "guess what my insurance will cover" when you're not in any condition to do your research, but it's not great to know that the system increasingly focuses on hoping things will go away by themselves.
 

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As a Californian myself, this is really VERY simple.

In The People's Republic of California, illegal aliens can vote. And they vote almost exclusively for the Democrats who promise them free everything - as long as they remain poor.

The Democrats want their vote.


Sure, the free paradise they are offered (as long as they remain poor and don't succeed) costs much. But that never occurs to Democrats; I mean, what are printing presses for, anyway? And they WANT to punish the successful, the business owners who employ people, the BAD (and they are bad because they are rich). So they can "kill two birds with one stone" - keep the illegals in their pocket AND punish the rich.
 

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The silly thing is that "remain poor" is often rather vaguely defined. From what I can tell of the way things work it seems you could quite conceivably have a platinum American Express card in the same wallet as your food stamps card. Of course working for cash in hand doesn't show up anywhere unless you choose to declare it so you could have quite a nice side income while still getting government help.
 
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