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    Christian Theology - Thread: Lukewarmness

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      Lukewarmness

      Is this what Catholicism preaches?

      Street Preacher vs Passionate Catholic

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      Yuck...

      A demonic accuser attacking a Luke warm Christian who does not know how to defend her faith...

      This is not how the Christian Faith works...

      I suppose the one engenders the other...

      Perhaps one will benefit from the encounter...

      Her more than him...

      But I am not all that hopeful...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
      Is this what Catholicism preaches?
      I don't know that we can draw too many conclusions from this exchange. He clearly was preaching from a reformed POV and she was reflecting a Roman Catholic perspective, but that doesn't exactly mean *this is what Catholicism teaches,* however.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Yuck...

      A demonic accuser
      Demonic?
      What lie did he state?

      attacking a Luke warm Christian
      Certainly a self-proclaimed Roman Catholic. What does the Bible say regarding who God chooses to adopt as his child?

      who does not know how to defend her faith...
      Did she not defend her belief that humans are, by nature, good?

      This is not how the Christian Faith works...
      How did the Apostles preach their faith in the marketplace while they traveled through Asia Minor, Greece and Rome? What message did Peter have on Pentacost for those who listened?

      Arsenios, you have made four claims that are merely your feelings.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Demonic?
      What lie did he state?


      Certainly a self-proclaimed Roman Catholic. What does the Bible say regarding who God chooses to adopt as his child?


      Did she not defend her belief that humans are, by nature, good?


      How did the Apostles preach their faith in the marketplace while they traveled through Asia Minor, Greece and Rome? What message did Peter have on Pentacost for those who listened?

      Arsenios, you have made four claims that are merely your feelings.
      diabolos - the devil - means an accuser...

      Slander does not have to be false to be slander...

      Slander that is true is still evil...

      Slander is not rebuke...

      Slander is condemnation...

      Rebuke is exhortation...

      Look -

      He asked her: "Have you ever told a lie?"

      Answer: "No - Well maybe when I was young I might have..."

      "Have you ever stolen anything?"

      "Absolutely not - Well, maybe once or twice long ago..."

      "Then you ARE a THIEF and a LIAR!" ["GOTCHA you scum!"]

      You can as easily, and mores, ask: "Have you EVER told the truth???"

      "Well, I try to all the time - Sometimes I fail..."

      "But you HAVE told the truth???"

      "Most of the time..."

      "Then you are a truth teller and beloved of God!!" ["Bless you my sister!"]

      Compare the two lines -

      One is slanderous and condemns...

      The other is not and does not...

      Both are true...


      Arsenios

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post

      Did she not defend her belief that humans are, by nature, good?
      She did not know how to defend her faith...

      As created by God, humans are good...

      As fallen in Adam, they are not...

      That is the catholic teaching...

      The whole of the Truth...

      Not just one side or the other...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      She did not know how to defend her faith...

      As created by God, humans are good...

      As fallen in Adam, they are not...

      That is the catholic teaching...

      The whole of the Truth...

      Not just one side or the other...


      Arsenios
      She justifies her willingness to sin at all cost because she was baptised and confirmed and confesses her sins, that IS what Catholicism teaches, the preacher was trying to discuss the "Rebirth" and "repentance"... that's not really attacking her more like rebuking her of her misconceptions and lukewarm attitude.
      It was a wasted effort of his part, you can't force a rebirth on someone, she is a confessing Christian none the less, I found her prayer strange tho

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      diabolos - the devil - means an accuser...

      Slander does not have to be false to be slander...

      Slander that is true is still evil...

      Slander is not rebuke...

      Slander is condemnation...

      Rebuke is exhortation...

      Look -

      He asked her: "Have you ever told a lie?"

      Answer: "No - Well maybe when I was young I might have..."

      "Have you ever stolen anything?"

      "Absolutely not - Well, maybe once or twice long ago..."

      "Then you ARE a THIEF and a LIAR!" ["GOTCHA you scum!"]

      You can as easily, and mores, ask: "Have you EVER told the truth???"

      "Well, I try to all the time - Sometimes I fail..."

      "But you HAVE told the truth???"

      "Most of the time..."

      "Then you are a truth teller and beloved of God!!" ["Bless you my sister!"]

      Compare the two lines -

      One is slanderous and condemns...

      The other is not and does not...

      Both are true...


      Arsenios
      So, your accusation that he is a devil makes you...go ahead, label yourself as you labeled him.
      Second, he spoke truth, which is that we are all breakers of God's law. This means we are by no means...good. She claimed she was good. Both cannot be true, which means your discernment should be reevaluated.
      Slander is not what he did. He told truth. The question is whether he told truth in love or in pride. We might both agree he came across lacking love. The church at Ephesus was rebuked for lacking love while telling truth. Was the church at Ephesus of the devil?
      The woman would not admit that her sins made it so she would fall short on judgment day. She imagined that her good works would tip the scale over the bad works. She would not and could not imagine that all her righteousness was as filthy rags before a Holy God. Thus, she would not here the man out.
      People who are born in rebellion and continue in rebellion will never willingly hear and submit to their only Savior, Jesus Christ. Instead they will trust in their baptism and confirmation to save them as they imagine their works will save them.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      She did not know how to defend her faith...

      As created by God, humans are good...

      As fallen in Adam, they are not...

      That is the catholic teaching...

      The whole of the Truth...

      Not just one side or the other...


      Arsenios
      As created by God, they/we are made in His image, with the capacity to love. With their/our corrupt nature, they/we are condemned as evil in the site of God. If we were good, there would be no need for a Savior and no need for grace.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
      you can't force a rebirth on someone
      Exactly why his efforts are (demonically) not helpful...

      That is NOT HOW to save souls...

      It IS HOW to harden hearts...

      Arsenios

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