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      Part of me hopes he does win another term, even if only to watch the silly frings of the left get even sillier.

      When people claim that, for instance, the kids from Covington Catholic have turned to little demons thanks to two years of Trump I wonder just what kind of power they think he must have. You know, these kids have grown up just fine under 6-7 years of G W Bush, then eight years of Obama, and in just two years Trump has turned them into entitled brats.

      What's also interesting is seeing the mismatch between levels of acceptance when a policy is presented with "what do you think of this idea" and "what do you think of this idea presented by Donald Trump". I know parts of the right did that too, particularly with the (un)Affordable Care Act but still find it interesting.
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      Wasn't the Affordable [sic] Care Act opposed for very specific reasons relating to the dangerous provisions included in the act?

      I recall that quite clearly and so must Obama, considering how he lost his cool over it, after having invited Republicans to offer their input about the legislation so that all sides supposedly could find a way to work together.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      Wasn't the Affordable [sic] Care Act opposed for very specific reasons relating to the dangerous provisions included in the act?

      I recall that quite clearly and so must Obama, considering how he lost his cool over it, after having invited Republicans to offer their input about the legislation so that all sides supposedly could find a way to work together.
      After two years in control of the presidency, the house, and the senate Republicans did not manage to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act nor did they come up with a replacement for it. Whatever faults it is alleged to have it is evident that Republicans could not correct them even when they had complete control of the legislative and executive branches of government and in recent time alleged control of the judicial branch too. So why complain about the act when nothing better could be legislated by the "conservatives" in congress nor proposed by the "conservatives" in the white house. It looks like former President Obama did a better job than the republicans have done so far.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      After two years in control of the presidency, the house, and the senate Republicans did not manage to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act nor did they come up with a replacement for it. Whatever faults it is alleged to have it is evident that Republicans could not correct them even when they had complete control of the legislative and executive branches of government and in recent time alleged control of the judicial branch too.
      Lets be serious now. If they had had a safe majority rather than a paper thin one and John McCain voting with the democrats in order to spite the president for Trump not having worshipped at McCain's shrine during the election campaign...repeal and replacement would have gone through.

      The myth that although they had all the voting power anyone could need but still were so confused, unprepared, or insincere that they did not follow through is just that--a myth, albeit a popular one in certain quarters.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      After two years in control of the presidency, the house, and the senate Republicans did not manage to "repeal" the Affordable Care Act nor did they come up with a replacement for it. Whatever faults it is alleged to have it is evident that Republicans could not correct them even when they had complete control of the legislative and executive branches of government and in recent time alleged control of the judicial branch too. So why complain about the act when nothing better could be legislated by the "conservatives" in congress nor proposed by the "conservatives" in the white house. It looks like former President Obama did a better job than the republicans have done so far.
      It was very disappointing to see the Republicans take control of everything and look forward to their proposals for a better option, only to get little more than "er, get rid of it".

      The "Affordable" Care Act is a disaster for the self-employed. It imposes crushing effective marginal tax rates on self-employed people on a low income who have medical requirements and, for the ultimate irony, has a nasty trigger once your income goes over 400% of the federal poverty level that can potentially cost you five figures.

      One standing principle of mine where economics is concerned is that there should never be any point, anywhere on the economic scale, where earning more money leaves you worse off than before you earned it. The "Affordable" Care Act creates just such a problem, in the form of a very vicious step down at 400% of federal poverty income. It's actually a pretty powerful disincentive to grow a business past about 350% of federal poverty income, unless you can surge past 400% and add another $10-15,000 in income on top, all in one hit.

      It also creates all sorts of weird wrinkles where projected income is concerned, especially for the self-employed whose income is often less predictable than employed people.

      As you say, it is very disappointing that the Republicans were apparently unable to come up with anything better than this disaster.
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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      It was very disappointing to see the Republicans take control of everything and look forward to their proposals for a better option, only to get little more than "er, get rid of it".
      It isn't likely to be repealed now, not with a Democrat controlled house.
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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      It isn't likely to be repealed now, not with a Democrat controlled house.
      No it isn't, which is a shame since it's such a horrendous mess.
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      Maybe now they will concentrate on fixing it which is what they should have been doing to begin with but because it was Obamas they wanted to totally destroy it
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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      Those 28% of independents are the ones who could shift it to 68D-29R or 40D-57R, or anything in between. Chances are they aren't going to be impressed with a candidate they see as a bit of a nutjob, so the new trendy "gimme my free stuff" candidates may yet face an uphill struggle. My guess is the independent voters are the ones likely to get stuck with the bill for the free stuff so they'll probably have a very different stance on it.

      I agree.... Of course, Dems need to get 12,000,000 fewer "independents" to vote with them than the Republicans do.

      Where we are "at" politically, both parties are moving further and further away.... just one reason why more are becoming "independent." It MAY turn out that the electorate will "fear" a RADICAL Communist/Socialist/New Green Deal radical leftist more than Trump (whom they've come to tolerate, even love to hate). MANY an unliked candidate has won simply because they seemed better (and safer) than the alternative. MANY a president has been chosen simply because he was preceived as "the lesser of two evils."




      In MY view, Trump has not proven to be as bad as I feared he would be (and why I did not vote for him).... that said, he was disappointed in terms of getting things done. BUT I very much appreciate his Supreme Court appointments (other than making war - or not - the appointment of these judges may just be the most important thing a president does), and he probably will get two more appointments if he wins re-election. THAT ALONE perhaps could be reason to re-elect him. At this point, I'm undecided.



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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      It was very disappointing to see the Republicans take control of everything and look forward to their proposals for a better option, only to get little more than "er, get rid of it".
      But it was required, procedurally, that they vote to repeal the existing law and then, separately, vote in a replacement. It was not possible to switch from one to the alternative in one vote. When McCain killed the first of these steps with his unexpected No vote, for which he had to get up out of the proverbial sick bed, the second step became moot.
      Last edited by Albion; 03-15-2019 at 09:18 AM.

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