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      Pelosi not for impeachment, saying Trump isn't worth it

      "I'm not for impeachment," Pelosi said. "This is news. I'm going to give you some news right now because I haven't said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I've been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it."

      what do you think of her comments. I guess she is saying that impeaching him would further divide the country and it isn't worth it for that reason. But, I doubt it would divide it anymore than it already is. The present political environment is toxic. She says in the same article that

      "The California Democrat also said that Trump is "ethically," "intellectually," and "curiosity-wise" unfit for office.
      "No, I don't think he's fit to be President of the United States," she said"


      Though I am not a registered democrat or republican, I would have to agree with her about that.

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      He was the choice of the voters; in this country the decision about the appropriateness of any candidate for the presidency is made by means of the election, not afterward. If you don't like him, you get another chance in four years.

      So that aspect of the matter --how good a choice the voters made--is irrelevant. But the idea that Pelosi wants not to divide the country after her party has been doing nothing but dividing it since Nocvember of 2016 isn't likely to fool many people.

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      Quote Originally Posted by jsimms435 View Post
      "I'm not for impeachment," Pelosi said. "This is news. I'm going to give you some news right now because I haven't said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I've been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don't think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he's just not worth it."

      what do you think of her comments. I guess she is saying that impeaching him would further divide the country and it isn't worth it for that reason. But, I doubt it would divide it anymore than it already is. The present political environment is toxic. She says in the same article that

      "The California Democrat also said that Trump is "ethically," "intellectually," and "curiosity-wise" unfit for office.
      "No, I don't think he's fit to be President of the United States," she said"


      Though I am not a registered democrat or republican, I would have to agree with her about that.
      Sounds to me like she came to realise there aren't grounds for impeachment. Either that or she just wants to shut down AOC and her silly rabbiting on about going after Trump.
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      The Bible comes as a complete package. If we want to pluck verses out of context so make them mean what we want them to mean, if we want to ignore the passages that are inconvenient to our outlook, we should be intellectually honest enough to throw our Bibles in the trash and admit we are following Crowley and not Christ.

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      I think it would divide the country more and that she is right. As for no grounds I think that his actions and lies have provided grounds but I dont think it rises to the point he should be
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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      I think it would divide the country more and that she is right. As for no grounds I think that his actions and lies have provided grounds but I dont think it rises to the point he should be
      If things don't rise to the point that warrant impeachment that does rather mean there aren't grounds for impeachment, no?
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      By saying she's not for impeachment she gains allies of some Republicans. I'm not sure if that's her goal or a by-product of her statement. She is up to something though
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      Quote Originally Posted by Albion View Post
      He was the choice of the voters; in this country the decision about the appropriateness of any candidate for the presidency is made by means of the election, not afterward. If you don't like him, you get another chance in four years.

      So that aspect of the matter --how good a choice the voters made--is irrelevant. But the idea that Pelosi wants not to divide the country after her party has been doing nothing but dividing it since Nocvember of 2016 isn't likely to fool many people.
      And the Republicans weren't doing this during President Obama's two terms in office?

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      Quote Originally Posted by tango View Post
      If things don't rise to the point that warrant impeachment that does rather mean there aren't grounds for impeachment, no?
      Aside from the fact that every president could be accused of having told a lie (except George Washington??)...

      Telling lies is not an impeachable offense, according to the Constitution.

      We are in dangerous waters as a country when normal people get to thinking that any character fault or mistake or unpopular policy amount to grounds for impeachment; and I am afraid that the irresponsible comments by various Democratic officeholders and celebrities over the past several years have made a lot of Americans think that "I don't like him" constitutes grounds for impeachment.

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      Quote Originally Posted by JRT View Post
      And the Republicans weren't doing this during President Obama's two terms in office?
      I'm willing to listen. What are you referring to? What facts support that notion?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Lämmchen View Post
      By saying she's not for impeachment she gains allies of some Republicans. I'm not sure if that's her goal or a by-product of her statement. She is up to something though
      It could be that the suspicion is growing that not only are there no legitimate grounds for impeachment, and the Senate would never vote to convict, but time has just about run out for starting the proceedings. These things take time and the next presidential election campaign will be upon us in only one year. Imagine if the Democrats had to go into the next presidential election with nothing to run on but a futile, four year-long, attempt to impeach the president.
      Last edited by Albion; 03-12-2019 at 09:37 AM.

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