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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Disciples and Believers

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      Quote Originally Posted by Josiah View Post
      1. This thread is not about the Eucharist. For that, see https://christianityhaven.com/showth...an-Evangelical

      2. I detest subjecting the Word of God to one's (often wrong) modern concepts of physics, as if God is mandated to agree with some bloat's idea of physics who never took a single course in physics.

      3. I tend to believe what Scripture says.... and since Jesus said "is" He likely meant "is" rather than "is NOT." It doesn't seem to be that Jesus COULD NOT have meant "is" since "is" seems to violate someone's assumptions. Correcting Jesus always seems a bit inappropriate to me. I tend to lean toward believing Jesus rather than correcting Him (seems wiser to ME).



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      What he said...

      Thank-you...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      I am sorry you live in a world of slices and gulps in your thinking of God's Holy Words...

      And I am sorry that in your carnal understanding, you trivialize their meaning...



      Jesus is not subject to necessity - He did not NEED to die - He CHOSE to die...

      You are Called to repentance from your sins...

      The Breaking of the Bread was no ordinary breaking of bread...

      The disciples on the Road only finally even RECOGNIZED Jesus in this Breaking of the Bread...

      You are trivializing Holy Words, my Brother...

      His Holy Body was BROKEN for you...

      YOU are to PARTAKE of this brokenness of body...

      So you are to EAT His Body...

      The fact that He gave His Disciples His Body and Blood to eat and drink before His Death

      Constituted His last Commandment to them prior to Him ascending the Cross...

      "Be ye doing this in remembrance of Me..."


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      Be honest, you're sorry I don't ascribe to your works salvation that makes the cross irrelevant.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Be honest, you're sorry I don't ascribe to your works salvation that makes the cross irrelevant.
      Taking up your cross is a work, my Brother...

      I trust you not to lie to me...

      Please return the courtesy...

      For the Love of God...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Taking up your cross is a work, my Brother...

      I trust you not to lie to me...

      Please return the courtesy...

      For the Love of God...


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      Arsenios, it seems you follow John the Baptist and yet need to know of the one who saves by grace through faith, apart from works.
      The cross is no burden for the follower of Christ. In fact we count it all joy when we go through various trials.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      That would be the carnal understanding...

      Not to mention drinking His Blood!

      Here is the Biblical result:

      Joh 6:66
      From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

      A well numbered verse, I should perhaps add, yes?


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      Ah yes I love that verse because you can basically toss it into any discussion for any reason to make any point
      Btw how does one remember someone they never seen? I mean I don't remember even being at that table..do you?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
      Ah yes I love that verse because you can basically toss it into any discussion for any reason to make any point
      Btw how does one remember someone they never seen? I mean I don't remember even being at that table..do you?
      The Remembrance is by the re-LIVING of the event...

      By reliving the event, we participate in it...

      Which is why Christ commands: "Be ye doing this..."

      And in this doing He was recognized when He had not been so prior to doing it...

      With the Disciples on the Road to Emmaeus...


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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Arsenios, it seems you follow John the Baptist and yet need to know of the one who saves by grace through faith, apart from works.
      The cross is no burden for the follower of Christ. In fact we count it all joy when we go through various trials.
      We follow Christ, and Christ's Baptism in the Waters of Regeneration...

      As Christ commanded his Apostles to Baptize ALL the Nations...

      Which Baptism do you follow?


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      We follow Christ, and Christ's Baptism in the Waters of Regeneration...

      As Christ commanded his Apostles to Baptize ALL the Nations...

      Which Baptism do you follow?


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      Baptism doesn't regenerate. Jesus needed no regeneration when he was baptized. His baptism was symbolic.
      I was immersed in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit as a confession to witnesses that Jesus had redeemed me and the Holy Spirit had immersed me into Christ Jesus who is the head of the body of Christ.
      All who follow Christ in water baptism must first confess they have been reconciled by God and immersed into Christ by the Spirit of God.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
      Baptism doesn't regenerate.
      Titus 3:5 He hath saved us by the bathing of new birth...

      Jesus needed no regeneration when he was baptized.
      You are right - Baptism needed Christ's Baptism...

      Because He was Baptized in Water, we are also Baptized in water into Him...

      Had He not been Baptized in Water, then Baptism would be as you say, a mere human proclamation to a few witnesses...

      Instead, we are Baptized into Christ by His Apostolic Body, the Church...

      Christ did, you remember, command His Apostles to Baptize all the Nations, yes?

      Did Christ EVER command the Holy Spirit to Baptize anyone?


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Titus 3:5 He hath saved us by the bathing of new birth...



      You are right - Baptism needed Christ's Baptism...

      Because He was Baptized in Water, we are also Baptized in water into Him...

      Had He not been Baptized in Water, then Baptism would be as you say, a mere human proclamation to a few witnesses...

      Instead, we are Baptized into Christ by His Apostolic Body, the Church...

      Christ did, you remember, command His Apostles to Baptize all the Nations, yes?

      Did Christ EVER command the Holy Spirit to Baptize anyone?


      Arsenios
      You really need to quote the whole statement of Paul so you don't remain confused.
      Titus 3:1-7
      Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

      Sorry, Arsenios, but your baptism only got you wet. It didn't save you. It's not a magical act performed by your priests that saves you. Your faith is terribly misplaced in water rather than in the shed blood of Christ.

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