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    Christian Theology - Thread: Experiment.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Are you asking if I believe that holy scripture teaches that genocide, rape, infanticide, and global destruction is acceptable, even from an angry God?

      Is "God is Love" still a coherent statement when God is alleged to command genocide, rape, infanticide?

      Holy scripture does tell the truth whenever it is teaching what is intended to be truth. And holy scripture reports lies, deceptions, and possibly folk stories or tribal origin legends as well as works of philosophy, poetry, and possibly comedic as well as serious fiction.
      Either yopu believe the Word or you done just like we accept by faith and trust that God is a God of justice and judgement as well as mercy and love. Who are we to question Gods goodness or motives, we are just finite beings as opposed to the one who created us and the universe. We are going to judge God? Lots of luck with that
      Isaiah 40:31

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      Quote Originally Posted by psalms 91 View Post
      Either yopu believe the Word or you done just like we accept by faith and trust that God is a God of justice and judgement as well as mercy and love. Who are we to question Gods goodness or motives, we are just finite beings as opposed to the one who created us and the universe. We are going to judge God? Lots of luck with that
      Psalms 91, believing the Word of God is believing Jesus and I most certainly do that.
      Saint Jude, author of the new testament letter.

      He is the patron of impossible causes because the scriptural Letter of St. Jude, which he authored, urges Christians to persevere in difficult times.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Why?

      Paul wrote pastoral letters. Are you sure that they teach exact scientific, moral, and theological truths?

      Some are. Many are not.
      When we reach the point where someone questions whether Holy Scripture teaches “moral, and theological truths”, the conversation has run its course.

      To answer your questions:
      Am I sure that Holy Scripture teaches exact scientific truths? NO.
      Am I sure that Holy Scripture teaches exact moral truths? YES.
      Am I sure that Holy Scripture teaches exact theological truths? YES.

      I leave you in God’s hands.

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      Quote Originally Posted by atpollard View Post
      [Romans 9:14-24 NLT]
      14 Are we saying, then, that God was unfair? Of course not!
      15 For God said to Moses, "I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I will show compassion to anyone I choose."
      16 So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it.
      17 For the Scriptures say that God told Pharaoh,
      "I have appointed you for the very purpose of displaying my power in you
      and to spread my fame throughout the earth."
      18 So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some,
      and he chooses to harden the hearts of others
      so they refuse to listen.
      19 Well then, you might say,
      "Why does God blame people for not responding?
      Haven't they simply done what he makes them do?"
      20 No, don't say that.
      Who are you, a mere human being, to argue with God?
      Should the thing that was created say to the one who created it,
      "Why have you made me like this?"
      21 When a potter makes jars out of clay,
      doesn't he have a right to use the same lump of clay
      to make one jar for decoration and another to throw garbage into?
      22 In the same way, even though God has the right to show his anger and his power,
      he is very patient with those on whom his anger falls,
      who are destined for destruction.
      23 He does this to make the riches of his glory shine even brighter
      on those to whom he shows mercy,
      who were prepared in advance for glory.
      24 And we are among those whom he selected,
      both from the Jews and from the Gentiles.


      God is more than your unconditional love of evil.
      Good Grief - Did someone actually say that God loves evil unconditionally?

      Romans 9:30-33
      What then shall we say?
      That the nations that did not pursue righteousness
      attained righteousness,
      the righteousness which is of faith.
      But Israel pursuing the law of righteousness
      did not attain the law of righteousness.
      On account of what?
      Because not out of faith,
      but out of the works of the Law.
      For they stumbled
      on the stone of stumbling,
      according as it had been written:
      Behold I am laying in Zion
      a stone of stumbling
      and a rock of offense.
      And everyone believing in Him
      Shall not be put to shame.


      This passage shows very clearly that it is Christ who is the scandalous stumbling stone,
      and it further shows that righteousness based on obedience to the works of the Law of Moses...
      is not righteousness based on faith in God,
      because God does not justify the self-justifiers...

      Had they done the works of the Law out of faith...
      As indeed Peter and the Apostles all did, (save Paul)...
      Then they would have been corrected into the New Covenant...
      As all of the Apostles were corrected through Paul...

      But the wicked Jews did the works of the Law in order to rule Jerusalem...
      And Jerusalem under that rule was destroyed...

      The REAL works of the Christian are NOT observable works of enforceable Law...
      But are the HIDDEN works of UNSEEN warfare within the heart of each person...


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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Good Grief - Did someone actually say that God loves evil unconditionally?
      You decide for yourself ...
      I was thinking of substantial contradictions such as "God is Love" and the description of love's qualities in 1Corinthians 13 as opposed to God flooding the earth to kill everybody except Noah and this three sons and their wives himself and his wife. There's also the commandments about taking slaves from conquered nations and slaves among Israel's poor. Also the annihilation of the Amalekites. These do not fit well with God is Love. The concept of eternal punishment too is hard to fit into "God is Love". But I am sure that people find their own ways to cope with these matters.

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      Quote Originally Posted by atpollard View Post
      You decide for yourself ...
      I was looking at the story of Noah, and from it came, at least to me, the teaching of the meaning of a remnant...

      For God was about to chuck the whole enterprise, but Noah found favor with God...

      The story of Lot was much the same story...

      When the Giver of existence is turned from, the turner is choosing non-existence...

      And as Hebrews tells it, when we have experienced Life Eternal, and then go back to sin, we are but fit for burning...

      Hence the possible elimination of a people is a teaching of Holy Writ...

      Also is the teaching that God IS Love...

      So we are going to come along and say that the elimination of people choosing non-existence is NOT an act of God's Love???

      Paul is right - Judging God by fallen worldly standards of fallen life and death is wrong on all counts...

      By that standard, banishing Adam from Paradise was a cruel action, and not a loving one on God's part...

      And MC does seem to find the elimination of the Amelites problematic for God's Love...

      They were all going to be dead in a hundred years anyway...

      And they simply would have had less time to do evils...

      Look - If I am hell-bent on doing evil, killing me is a great and loving act of kindness...

      I will have less to be judged for...

      We all know the story of the road rage driver who caused a big problem for someone who then because of that delay was not killed in a bridge collapse...

      This does not mean that God loves the evil of road rage...


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      Quote Originally Posted by atpollard View Post
      When we reach the point where someone questions whether Holy Scripture teaches “moral, and theological truths”, the conversation has run its course.
      Okay.
      Saint Jude, author of the new testament letter.

      He is the patron of impossible causes because the scriptural Letter of St. Jude, which he authored, urges Christians to persevere in difficult times.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MoreCoffee View Post
      Is saint Paul's definition okay?
      My brother, I would sincerely caution anyone who thinks God's Love can be defined...


      Love is patient and kind;
      love is not jealous or boastful;
      it is not arrogant or rude.
      Love does not insist on its own way;
      it is not irritable or resentful;
      it does not rejoice at wrong,
      but rejoices in the right.
      Love bears all things,
      believes all things,
      hopes all things,
      endures all things.
      Love never ends ..

      1 Corinthians 13:4-8
      This is much more of a paean to love than a definition...

      It isn't a faulty definition of love is it;
      It is not even a faulty description...

      but genocide, vengeance, slavery, and rape are not in the definition.
      Yet these all are a part of what God permits to occur when man insists on turning from God to the rulership of Death...

      And He does so because God IS Love...

      And He wills that ALL should be Saved, and come to the knowledge of Truth...

      In this fallen creation in which we the sons of Adam now find ourselves...

      ALL DIE...

      What has Good to do with Evil?

      Adam fell for the lie of Life Eternal by partaking of God's creation...

      By partaking of the conjunction of both Good AND evil...

      But we are to eat Christ's Body and drink His Blood...

      That we have Life in us...

      The New Covenant is the Covenant of the Body and Blood of our Lord...

      We have responsibilities in this Covenant...

      It is the Covenant of Grace...


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