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    World Religion & Speculative Theology - Thread: Are Catholics boring catechists?

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      Are Catholics boring catechists?

      Are Catholics just about rules, regulations, and (supposed) Marian worship? Or do they get to have occasional fun? Are they like you and me? Do they read the bible for themselves and discern what it says?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Are Catholics just about rules, regulations, and (supposed) Marian worship? Or do they get to have occasional fun? Are they like you and me? Do they read the bible for themselves and discern what it says?
      Depends on if they are truly Catholic or not..?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Andrew View Post
      Depends on if they are truly Catholic or not..?
      Hmmm... Interesting. How do you mean?

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Hmmm... Interesting. How do you mean?
      Im just saying that being a strict Catholic comes with a lot of heavy baggage, if I were a bit less then the rules wouldn't matter much. Its either all in or not at all... from what I perceive

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Are Catholics just about rules, regulations, and (supposed) Marian worship? Or do they get to have occasional fun? Are they like you and me? Do they read the bible for themselves and discern what it says?
      Well, I am an Ancient Faith Eastern Catholic and I can tell you that we are not rule-bound legalists worshiping Mary...
      And having said that, I can tell you this:
      I met a guy who grew up in an eastern block country who was a Roman Catholic...
      And when I told him I was Orthodox and asked him if there were many in his country...
      He said: "Yes - In the eastern half especially - Full of those HARD CORE ORTHODOX Christians..."
      I asked him what he meant by that, and he said:
      "They keep the ancient fasts, daily and weekly and throughout the year...
      They do the Services of the Church morning and night all the time...
      They do all night vigils and sin very little and work and are busy all the time..."

      And it is all voluntary...

      So over there, with all its legal focus of rules and regulations, the actually practice of the Faith is much more lax in the Latin Church than that of the Slavic EOC... Here as well - The Fasts of the Church are now voluntary for the Latin Church, instead of prescribed, and involve someone denying themselves something they really like for the duration of the fast - iow Fasts are self-prescribed rather than Ecclesiastically prescribed... The Wednesday Fast is all but forgotten for the Latins... And the daily fast from supper to breakFAST is unknown... Let alone the Friday Fast from fish and meats... These are all a part of the Praxis of the Ancient Christian Faith from the beginnings, and are virtually unknown and seem opprobrious to western understandings... The Ancient Faith is very prescribed and regulated, and within it life is very simple and rich in prayer and labors and love... Indeed, it can be seen as the Obedience of Love...

      You would think that it would be the reverse, but it is not...

      And it is not that the Latin Church does not take its Faith unseriously...

      But the Ancient Faith that is Mystically focused in discipling the faithful without myriad rules and legalisms and spelled out catechisms ends up with a much more rigorous phronema of praxis, imo...


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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Are Catholics just about rules, regulations, and (supposed) Marian worship? Or do they get to have occasional fun? Are they like you and me? Do they read the bible for themselves and discern what it says?
      There are expectations but how many people live up to them?

      I have heaps of fun, especially with MennoSota

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Are Catholics just about rules, regulations, and (supposed) Marian worship? Or do they get to have occasional fun? Are they like you and me? Do they read the bible for themselves and discern what it says?
      Its probably safe to say that they are both of those.

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      Borrowed from another thread:

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      God has shown me that your church is not in agreement with what He says.
      Personal revelation?? Never thought I'd see those words from you. Do you mean that God's word has shown you? How do you know?

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      God has shown me, in His word...
      Okay, that's different. But, again, how do you know that it is not personal revelation falsely attributed to God about the Catholic church?

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      ...(T)hat He alone can make a person alive with Christ and adopt a person into His family.
      I've not met a Catholic who disagrees

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      He has shown me that any righteousness is found only in Christ Jesus and not in self.
      Personal revelation aside, I've not met a Catholic who disagrees

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      God's word has been sharper than a two edged sword.
      "Has been"?? You're slipping. See below.

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      Hebrews 4:12-13
      For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
      I've not met a Catholic who disagrees.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Arsenios View Post
      Well, I am an Ancient Faith Eastern Catholic and I can tell you that we are not rule-bound legalists worshiping Mary...
      And having said that, I can tell you this:
      I met a guy who grew up in an eastern block country who was a Roman Catholic...
      And when I told him I was Orthodox and asked him if there were many in his country...
      He said: "Yes - In the eastern half especially - Full of those HARD CORE ORTHODOX Christians..."
      I asked him what he meant by that, and he said:
      "They keep the ancient fasts, daily and weekly and throughout the year...
      They do the Services of the Church morning and night all the time...
      They do all night vigils and sin very little and work and are busy all the time..."

      And it is all voluntary...

      So over there, with all its legal focus of rules and regulations, the actually practice of the Faith is much more lax in the Latin Church than that of the Slavic EOC... Here as well - The Fasts of the Church are now voluntary for the Latin Church, instead of prescribed, and involve someone denying themselves something they really like for the duration of the fast - iow Fasts are self-prescribed rather than Ecclesiastically prescribed... The Wednesday Fast is all but forgotten for the Latins... And the daily fast from supper to breakFAST is unknown... Let alone the Friday Fast from fish and meats... These are all a part of the Praxis of the Ancient Christian Faith from the beginnings, and are virtually unknown and seem opprobrious to western understandings... The Ancient Faith is very prescribed and regulated, and within it life is very simple and rich in prayer and labors and love... Indeed, it can be seen as the Obedience of Love...

      You would think that it would be the reverse, but it is not...

      And it is not that the Latin Church does not take its Faith unseriously...

      But the Ancient Faith that is Mystically focused in discipling the faithful without myriad rules and legalisms and spelled out catechisms ends up with a much more rigorous phronema of praxis, imo...


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      I can understand that. I think what gets ;lost is the very voluntary nature of the acts you've described. One giving oneself to these ways of life are not a simple or prescribed choice, or some directive, but are the choice of the individual. When I went out for my nephew's wedding, the presiding priest was about the same age as my nephew. The priest had grown up with my nephew's wife in that church. He shared a bit about himself, and his decision - it was not something prescribed for him, or a forced choice, but a decision of devotion to Christ and His church. He looked in now way to have regretted it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ImaginaryDay2 View Post
      Borrowed from another thread:



      Personal revelation?? Never thought I'd see those words from you. Do you mean that God's word has shown you? How do you know?



      Okay, that's different. But, again, how do you know that it is not personal revelation falsely attributed to God about the Catholic church?



      I've not met a Catholic who disagrees



      Personal revelation aside, I've not met a Catholic who disagrees



      "Has been"?? You're slipping. See below.



      I've not met a Catholic who disagrees.
      The Bible shows the errors of Rome. This is how God has shown me. It is the same way that Luther was shown Rome's errors. It is the same way, Huss and Calvin were shown Rome's errors. They read God's word and God showed them how error filled Rome is.
      I find your attempts amusing ID2.

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