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The holy scriptures are "another book" because they are not God or angelic or anything other than human produced words. The difference between the holy scriptures and a book such as "gone with the wind" is that the holy scriptures purport to be produced by divine inspiration and to contain God's commandments for humanity and to record the saving work of the Lord Jesus Christ as the good news that we commonly call the gospel. But the bible is just a book unworthy of worship or any other form of reverence beyond the reverence with which human beings treat the things they count as holy.
If it is the inspired word of God (a question for you since I accept it)then it is to be held in high esteem since it is God breathed and not man made. Sort of like if I was to write your words then it would be MC and not me.
 

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If it is the inspired word of God (a question for you since I accept it)then it is to be held in high esteem since it is God breathed and not man made. Sort of like if I was to write your words then it would be MC and not me.

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2. In His goodness and wisdom God chose to reveal Himself and to make known to us the hidden purpose of His will (see Eph. 1:9) by which through Christ, the Word made flesh, man might in the Holy Spirit have access to the Father and come to share in the divine nature (see Eph. 2:18; 2 Peter 1:4). Through this revelation, therefore, the invisible God (see Col. 1;15, 1 Tim. 1:17) out of the abundance of His love speaks to men as friends (see Ex. 33:11; John 15:14-15) and lives among them (see Bar. 3:38), so that He may invite and take them into fellowship with Himself. This plan of revelation is realized by deeds and words having an inner unity: the deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation manifest and confirm the teaching and realities signified by the words, while the words proclaim the deeds and clarify the mystery contained in them. By this revelation then, the deepest truth about God and the salvation of man shines out for our sake in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation. (2)

3. God, who through the Word creates all things (see John 1:3) and keeps them in existence, gives men an enduring witness to Himself in created realities (see Rom. 1:19-20). Planning to make known the way of heavenly salvation, He went further and from the start manifested Himself to our first parents. Then after their fall His promise of redemption aroused in them the hope of being saved (see Gen. 3:15) and from that time on He ceaselessly kept the human race in His care, to give eternal life to those who perseveringly do good in search of salvation (see Rom. 2:6-7). Then, at the time He had appointed He called Abraham in order to make of him a great nation (see Gen. 12:2). Through the patriarchs, and after them through Moses and the prophets, He taught this people to acknowledge Himself the one living and true God, provident father and just judge, and to wait for the Savior promised by Him, and in this manner prepared the way for the Gospel down through the centuries.

4. Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son" (Heb. 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18). Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." (3) He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4). To see Jesus is to see His Father (John 14:9). For this reason Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through his whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds, His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. Moreover He confirmed with divine testimony what revelation proclaimed, that God is with us to free us from the darkness of sin and death, and to raise us up to life eternal.

The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away and we now await no further new public revelation before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (see 1 Tim. 6:14 and Tit. 2:13).

5. "The obedience of faith" (Rom. 16:26; see 1:5; 2 Cor 10:5-6) "is to be given to God who reveals, an obedience by which man commits his whole self freely to God, offering the full submission of intellect and will to God who reveals," (4) and freely assenting to the truth revealed by Him. To make this act of faith, the grace of God and the interior help of the Holy Spirit must precede and assist, moving the heart and turning it to God, opening the eyes of the mind and giving "joy and ease to everyone in assenting to the truth and believing it." (5) To bring about an ever deeper understanding of revelation the same Holy Spirit constantly brings faith to completion by His gifts.

6. Through divine revelation, God chose to show forth and communicate Himself and the eternal decisions of His will regarding the salvation of men. That is to say, He chose to share with them those divine treasures which totally transcend the understanding of the human mind. (6)

As a sacred synod has affirmed, God, the beginning and end of all things, can be known with certainty from created reality by the light of human reason (see Rom. 1:20); but teaches that it is through His revelation that those religious truths which are by their nature accessible to human reason can be known by all men with ease, with solid certitude and with no trace of error, even in this present state of the human race. (7)​
 

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I dont see how that changes acccepting the bible as Gods words to us. I also disagree that prophecy has ceased in this day and age and that God doesnt still reveal unto us. MC I find it interesting that you and your church accept the pope as Gods spokeman but deny that the bible is God inspired and a holy book.
 

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I dont see how that changes acccepting the bible as Gods words to us. I also disagree that prophecy has ceased in this day and age and that God doesnt still reveal unto us. MC I find it interesting that you and your church accept the pope as Gods spokeman but deny that the bible is God inspired and a holy book.

You are mistaken, The pope is not God's spokesman. He can, however, speak concerning dogma and practise with assurance of truth because God assures him and us that when he so speaks he speaks as Christ's vicar on Earth. No pope receives new revelations from God and no pope pretends to be prophet, miracle worker, or any other supernatural thing even though he and any other of the faithful may - by God's grace - work miracles as God sees fit.
 
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You are mistaken, The pope is not God's spokesman. He can, however, speak concerning dogma and practise with assurance of truth because God assures him and us that when he so speaks he speaks as Christ's vicar on Earth. No pope receives new revelations from God and no pope pretend to be prophet, miracle worker, or any other supernatural thing even though he and any other of the faithful may - by God's grace - work miracles as God sees fit.
This I can agree with if the pope has the Holy Spirit to reveal unto him what God wants to convey. Interesting that in all the popes none have been prophets or done miracles? If he is closer to God then I would expect signs to follow.
 

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This I can agree with if the pope has the Holy Spirit to reveal unto him what God wants to convey. Interesting that in all the popes none have been prophets or done miracles? If he is closer to God then I would expect signs to follow.

Numerous popes have worked miracles, in your own life time both John XXIII and John Paul II have done so.
 

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Numerous popes have worked miracles, in your own life time both John XXIII and John Paul II have done so.
That is good but I know of evangelists and others who have also worked miracles
 

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You could check with the charasmatic division of your church

My parish has one and I know a number of people who are Charismatic but aside from occasional signs of enthusiasm from them I haven't noticed any special miracle working power there. One lady who is very lovely was in hospital for quite a while last year, another has serious joint and walking problems so healing is not so miracle like among them but they are good people and that is worth a lot.
 
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