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  1. Can't wait to see what the response is to that. ...

    Can't wait to see what the response is to that.

    1. No, it isn't.
    2. Your Reformer said something else.
    3. You only said that because it's what "state churches" say.
    4. You are being mean to me....
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    That puts a charming face on those terms, but...

    That puts a charming face on those terms, but neither definition is correct.
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    But in worship, we ought not to be pleasing...

    But in worship, we ought not to be pleasing ourselves rather than praising God or affirming our devotion to Him, etc.
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    With Hallmark, the viewer is never in doubt about...

    With Hallmark, the viewer is never in doubt about how the story is going to end, is he? :)
  5. Personally, I probably lean in the same direction...

    Personally, I probably lean in the same direction as you do. However, I can see both sides of this "issue." And I have read posts online from people who were bitterly disappointed by one of those...
  6. But he doesn't know the difference between Real...

    But he doesn't know the difference between Real Presence and Transubstantiation, Josiah. Not even after it's been explained several times.

    However, there is no assurance given by the stats that...
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    I agree. I thought it would be impossible to use...

    I agree. I thought it would be impossible to use that story line and have it not be either ridiculous or fawning, but somehow it works. I only watch it occasionally, though, and I wonder how a steady...
  8. Can a case be made for observing more than two acraments?

    Catholic and Orthodox churches recognize seven sacraments; Protestants generally recognize only two (or consider only two to be "sacraments of the Gospel"). In a few cases, there are church bodies...
  9. What is the best sized congregation for most people?

    Is it the small, intimate congregation in which you are known and you know everyone else--where you really fit in?

    Or is it the larger one which offers more activities but in which you can choose...
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    Yes, but here's the difference. I know what I am...

    Yes, but here's the difference. I know what I am talking about.
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    Actually, it was one. All the others were you...

    Actually, it was one.

    All the others were you changing your story, post by post. It would have been fine if we could have stayed on topic until something was resolved.

    No more. :wave:
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    It is the position of the Early Church Fathers. I...

    It is the position of the Early Church Fathers. I said this before.

    But the Anglican church, one of the oldest in Christendom, is not the topic of this thread.
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    duplicate.

    duplicate.
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    Transubstantiation is the Roman Catholic...

    Transubstantiation is the Roman Catholic position.

    IT was new in the Middle Ages. [/QUOTE]

    The Apostolic belief was Real Presence.

    Your belief was an innovation of the 16th century and...
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    Wait a minute. You didn't say "The Roman Catholic...

    Wait a minute. You didn't say "The Roman Catholic Church believes in alchemy." You said that to believe in the Real Presence is to believe in alchemy. That's totally wrong.
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    Nope. That's just ignorant. But others have...

    Nope. That's just ignorant.

    But others have already pointed that out, so I won't go through the difference yet one more time. <_<

    If you don't know what you are talking about, it's best to go...
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    ...and there is no reason to think that the claim...

    ...and there is no reason to think that the claim was true. There is a reason why the king of the Spartans might want to butter-up the Persian leaders, though. Did you ever think of that?
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    There may be said to be a Jewish nation, but...

    There may be said to be a Jewish nation, but Xerxes wasn't a Jew. The Spartans were not a nation and didn't consider themselves to be one. The Spartans were not descendants of Abraham, based on all...
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    It is not certain that the Last Supper was, in...

    It is not certain that the Last Supper was, in fact, a seder. As said before, there are hints that it was not.


    That is completely extraneous to this discussion, as all parties--those who believe...
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    No it doesn't. If you read the material, it...

    No it doesn't. If you read the material, it simply says that the king of Sparta wrote to the Persians, claiming that they were both related to Abraham. That's it. Not one other assumption that...
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    What's so surprising about Xerxes coming in for a...

    What's so surprising about Xerxes coming in for a mention?
  23. Nope. I just said that I'd read the same thing...

    Nope. I just said that I'd read the same thing years ago.


    I answered this in first reply in this thread. See post 14.
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    From what I can tell, the worship services in the...

    From what I can tell, the worship services in the churches that believe in Real Presence are more faithful in replicating the Last Supper than are those that see the service as mere symbolism. The...
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    No, it doesn't. It says that the King of the...

    No, it doesn't. It says that the King of the Spartans wrote to the Persians saying that they were both descended from Abraham. That does not make it so, nor does it make Scripture claim it to be so.
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